ET Jay #2 ADRENALINE Poll

[Eazy]

8 hours ago, -=HipKat=- said:

More people hate poison knives than  hate Adren and the redirect from Jay 1 to Jay 2 is how I first got on there, like many people did, years ago. I get that you would not be happy but your opinion is not the same as everyone's opinion, agreed?

The best way to get someone to do something new is by getting them to sample it. Like test driving a car before you buy it

You see , that s what i meant, i might not have word properly but still ... 

 

just because you hate poison knifes and most hates poison knifes doesn t mean there is not a population for them , same with adren , double jump etc...   in my opinion, the more you turn option off, the more you limit the players pool only to satisfy an handful of people that are already skilled . 

 

The redirect is still active, i had to refresh a few times yesterday .

 

I haven t vote on any of thoses questions has it was meant for jay 2 regulars & admin but as a long time regular i felt like i can give my 2cents . 

[-=HipKat=-]

5 minutes ago, Eazy said:

The redirect is still active, i had to refresh a few times yesterday .

Yeah but it's not effective when there are so may slots on Jay 1. I counted over 45 players with 7 specs yesterday at one point, while Jay 2 had 2 human playing. 

Edited May 30, 2022 by -=HipKat=-

[captnconcrete]

we voted to take off the stupid poison knifes yrs ago. we have poison knifes on 1 map. just like we have dren off on one map. 

 we arent trying to changed jay1 we are just trying to get it like it used to be when alot more people played jay2 .. and it was becuz the pop redirect was lowered. we lost pop when jay1 redirect pop was raised.

 

personally i dont know why any one would even want to play on jay1. i cant stand that server.lol to many people to many crappy pings.  et wasnt made for 30v30  

 

hipkat is correct. i too found jay2 when i was redirected from jay1. we arent  talking opinions here this is facts. when u guys all decided to change the redirect for jay1 is when jay2 lost alot of pop. I el! and hipkat have brought this to fas attention many times. in past.

 

 

i personally also think .. opinion time<    that the personality of the regulars nowdays on jay2 is part of the problem they whine b*** cry more  than any other server ive played on in last 15 yrs. this turns me off to the game more than anything else.  ima start warning muting . and kicking these babies. come to play or dont come at all. ur not supposed to win every map.

 

other things ive seen .. do we really need heavy weapons in2v1  3v1  4v2 4v3 battles  nothing like taking on other guys and they using panzer and flamer. up 2 players. this is ofputting also and ive chatted with regulars.  heavy should be limited to 5v5 4v4  or greater. 

 

what ive seen in last 3 or so yrs...

 

when we had  active leaders  co leaders an staff on jay2 we had more pop . when we where all more involved we had more pop. el! was  a blessing to jay2 maps and fun. he got pissed off left. it declined. i got involved it went back up .. i got pissed   said f offf deal with ur self.  it dropped. rendel got involved, pop went up . rendel not as much involved pop went down..

 

so we need leaders coleaders and staff to support jay2 .   it shouldnt be left up too one guy. teamwork makes the dream work. doesnt matter what we do if u dont suport  an play there its gonna be crickets!!!!!!

just think if all the people who posted in this topic played 1 hr a day on jay2 .. it be 8v8 6v6   and bring in more people. !!!!!!!

 

Edited May 30, 2022 by captnconcrete

[Gameplan]

I'll try and keep this brief to avoid paralysis by analysis.

 

I think this poll distorted the results due to too many choices and too wide an audience.

 

First, the poll presented 7 alternatives to leaving adrenaline alone. Of the 7, 1 for other, and 6 for different adrenaline options. When presented with several choices data will be skewed as votes will fall in to any of the alternatives. Naturally, we saw 80% choosing an alternative.

 

The poll should have been binary, either on or off. 

 

From the off data, the choice of which setting could have been the next poll - other would have been a choice in the second poll rather than the first.

 

Next, opening to non-regulars or non-former regulars provided unvaluable data. A focused poll on current users or former regulars is far more valuable than any passer by without skin in the game.

 

@daredevil presented a different poll of just Jay 2 regulars. In that poll, the results were even: 30/30% on vs. off. 40% didn't care. That's 70% that can go with it or 70% that can go without it, and their lives won't be in shambles.

 

In other words over 70% will still play Jay 2 no matter what we decide. And that's the most important statistic here! So, it's really not as big a deal as we may have been led to believe. 

 

Finally, I agree with what @ElEl and @captnconcrete said about having active and engaged leaders. While it's probably not the population silver bullet, engaged leaders help control the content and the idiots. While I appreciate the nomination, @ElEl, I don't think I have the available cycles to give the job what it needs. 

 

 

[-=HipKat=-]

On 5/30/2022 at 9:44 AM, captnconcrete said:

other things ive seen .. do we really need heavy weapons in2v1  3v1  4v2 4v3 battles  nothing like taking on other guys and they using panzer and flamer. up 2 players. this is ofputting also and ive chatted with regulars.  heavy should be limited to 5v5 4v4  or greater. 

 

This!! x10000
I'll never say a word about Dren again if flame isn't available when it's less than 6 humans playing!! 

Honestly!

[Valk]

There's always be a divided opinion on which ever server is mentioned. Of course there's always a solution and having jay1 limited so more players head too jay2, might be worth while.

[spectator]

I hate shotty on jay 2 a lot more than I do adren... I agree with others that heavy weapons and arty on small teams is ridiculous, especially if teams are around even or your team is struggling a bit. I've played at least 4 games in recent memory against strong-ish players and we had a somewhat weaker team, and had to really work for it...and then they had nabs on the other team using flame panza and arty on us... that's just awful...

Honestly, one of the problems is that some guys are just better than others...and even if teams are technically even, they pull way too much of their own weight. I would trade 4-5 players for some of the regulars who play on jay 2...and I've seen some of those guys take on 4-5 players at once like it was nothing... It can be very hard to balance teams, especially when an odd number is on server. 

If Delord has a strong team or a noob lagoon of heavy weapons for example, it can be very difficult to make it a fair/ fun game if your team is full of players that just aren't as aggressive, agile and fierce... That's a even number or not of players... It doesn't really matter, if it's even or odd, it can still be painfully stacked based on how people play on their team and yours. 

I'm getting to the point very honestly on Jay 2 where sometimes I just try not to complain and have fun, because at least people are playing...and at least they are having fun but sometimes it's totally unfair, totally unbalanced...even when I have like 4 guys on my team and delord has like only 1...it can still be unfair.

 Delord and Mirror (Or phantom or Captn or ....I don't know, you know any good player) vs me and duffy buddy , nail biter, Pacifist Joe.... who do you think is going to smack the hell out of who? Sometimes this makes for a interesting challenge and it's fun for everyone. I've talked to Delord about stacking against certain teams, they seem to enjoy the challenge...sometimes I do too...and it's made ME a better player on Jay 2... I've seen a few regulars growing there....Sometimes having a stronger defensive is a good thing, typically a stronger offense just means a QUICK game and it's not fun, but a stronger defense can make for a good challenge...

I have stacked against certain players or decent players who I felt could keep teams some what fair...and in some cases ...it goes like this... if a strong player is on one team and its stacked, if they join the other team...then it's going to be stacked against the team that they used to be on...so moving doesn't really balance anything.... It's unfortunate but a REALITY....The choice becomes stack against the one team or stack against the other... moving is not a solution. It just makes the guys who were stacked on feel better, now that their team is too strong and is stacking against the other team now...

I can intentionally stack or go along with a stack against my own team, and laugh about it being uneven or simply turn my focus onto obj...but MOST GUYS DONT KNOW HOW TO EVEN STACK CORRECTLY....they'll see that we're struggling or putting up a good fight. I'll get to obj, fight off 10 guys,  or do my damnest to keep things balanced and they you have, Dildo Head using arty on us or flaming us at spawn while Delord picks us off from a mile away or something....and that's just lame... People don't stack fairly and I've seen both myself and players like Delord stack fairly, no heavy weapons, no arty, hell not even medic when it calls for it...we just go soldier...Sometimes it's ok to have unbalanced teams if the guys who are stacking know how to do it correctly.

Sometimes, straight up I have a enemy engineer in my cross hair and I just walk away because I want them to advance, I want them to get obj, I want them to have fun and come back... But a lot of stackers will TARGET the engineer who is on a stacked team and by some miracle hikes 10 miles to obj through arty, hell fire, with 4 hp left, does a flip in the air to the damn obj, walks on top of 4 heads to get to it... and that's just not fun, it's frustrating, exhausting... some ET games are exhausting when you have to be that guy to try to save the game... And some times I don't , I just go medic or whatever and focus on frag because I know that obj is impossible... Delord and a few others can attest that even if we're on opposite teams we can recognize each other in cross hairs even without seeing a name, and it's funny because we BOTH have looked at each other dead in the face and just let one another live to do obj, or we just let eachother  for fun, giggles... It's funny because we'll run right past each other and will say, "hello!" 

Stronger, more experienced players know who is going to dominate the server, they know who can take on 5 guys at once like it's a joke... and we often have this problem trying to balance teams , just because stronger players exist. It's not their fault they are good and I enjoy playing with them all but then you have arty spam, green smoke spam, flame spam and it's just terrible sometimes...  I actually let them win sometimes if it's stacked, I might focus on frag or whatever or give them some challenge but if I see they are struggling and someone can make it to obj...i usually let them make it there. 

There ARE CHEAP and LAME stacked games people who stack unfairly and use every opportunity to destroy and demoralize the other team...and we can't tell people how to play , so I just have to try not to whine but I almost always do... because people will be arty whores, they will flame noob, they will spam green smoke, etc... The players that want to get better, stronger typically go medic or do obj, like Spliff, he tries... It's so difficult to be the decent, middle of the road player, who tries to keep teams balanced and is targeted by obj campers, or arty, flame, panza.... by some miracle he makes it past a superior force and Tiny Tim Jimmy is camping obj with a damn panza or flamer and has 150 hp while you struggle to keep 45hp to even make it there...

That's the reality of Jay 2, adren has NOTHING to do with any of it really...adren helps me get to the damn obj..

Shuffling by scores would ALWAYS make sense if it worked correctly...

But if you're the only one on your team pushing or doing obj, it doesn't really matter who is on your team, you could have a player like delord and you'd still lose and get beaten badly trying to do obj. I do think that people get tired of losing as a team.  

Edited June 2, 2022 by spectator

[yaku]

Not regular on Jay2, just few cents from me.

 

It may be silly reason, but when I was back in ET last year I was digging through servers and main reason why I haven't stop on Jay2 was... full stats for every class from the beginning. I've had the goal to max stats on every FA server and I know few people are trying to do it as well. So when you come to Jay2 and you are maxed from the beginning it takes this need to get something, to earn something. So I didn't even stop for few maps and try the server. So you're basically taking away that need to achieve from people and way to get to know server.

 

Adrenaline? It's not a problem of Jay2 in my opinion. I know people from Beg2 with adrealine playing as well on Jay1 without it. Most people don't care. I'm not a fan, but it would not be the main factor for me to play or not play there.

 

 

[-=HipKat=-]

Jay 1 now, teams 27-27 on tiny little ET Beach, 4 specs who can't even join a team and Jay 2 has 0 humans

[ElEl]

19 hours ago, -=HipKat=- said:

Jay 1 now, teams 27-27 on tiny little ET Beach, 4 specs who can't even join a team and Jay 2 has 0 humans

Can't suggest lowering the player count for jay1 that would be nonsense, despite so many people in this thread agreeing it should be done.

 

On 6/4/2022 at 8:18 PM, yaku said:

It may be silly reason, but when I was back in ET last year I was digging through servers and main reason why I haven't stop on Jay2 was... full stats for every class from the beginning. I've had the goal to max stats on every FA server and I know few people are trying to do it as well. So when you come to Jay2 and you are maxed from the beginning it takes this need to get something, to earn something. So I didn't even stop for few maps and try the server. So you're basically taking away that need to achieve from people and way to get to know server.

 

That's a good point, maybe someone could speak to DD about changing the starting xp and the xp needed for each level.

 

On 5/30/2022 at 3:44 PM, captnconcrete said:

other things ive seen .. do we really need heavy weapons in2v1  3v1  4v2 4v3 battles  nothing like taking on other guys and they using panzer and flamer. up 2 players. this is ofputting also and ive chatted with regulars.  heavy should be limited to 5v5 4v4  or greater. 

 

I agree, unfortunately it's those same people that play heavy weapons who are happy to play against bots which starts getting more people to play. Hardly anyone wants to be the guy to play against only bots so the server just stays dead until someone does.

 

On 5/25/2022 at 2:20 PM, the cake is a lie said:

You're generally using the wrong denominator in your ratios. 40 is the total number of responses but only 31 are non-jay2 regs/admins. 29% felt strongly enough about adrenaline to choose the option, 63% chose player count as a reason, etc.

 

The majority vote i.e. lack of players still doesn't change, I compared both and decided to go with 40.

 

On 5/25/2022 at 2:20 PM, the cake is a lie said:

I'm not sure which specific ETC server you were referring to, the only ETC player with any humans on right now (4) does have adren but averages about 20 humans with a peak in the past 24 hours of 35 players. I would be surprised if the jay1 slots is being set in relation to this or any other individual server. Adrenaline is probably the reason some prefer to play on that server but I'd wager it has more to do with demand for euro servers and 'brand loyalty' to the flagship ETC server. Just like on jay1, there are probably many who play there who don't like every setting (eg. poison knives).

There's a universe where the ETc server was getting 60/60 players at peak and this caused the change of Jay1's max player count. I don't have the data for when it changed but it's not impossible for this to be the cause.

 

On 5/29/2022 at 2:59 PM, -=HipKat=- said:

Actually, I think a better poll would be asking people about doing just that, reducing slots on Jay 1 and redirecting to Jay 2

Great idea. Make one and I'll vote in it.

 

Maybe make another post asking people when they're free and want to play, that way we could get some games going so the server can start building a population again. Also add in Discord voice chats.

[yaku]

Original ETLegacy 2.8.2, I did not mess with cvars there and this is a message I recived from game about redirecting:

 

[ElEl]

8 hours ago, yaku said:

Original ETLegacy 2.8.2, I did not mess with cvars there and this is a message I recived from game about redirecting:

 

Checked my ET Legacy installation and my cvar is set to 0. I think it's this one anyway

seta ui_autoredirect "0"

 

 

[yaku]

1 minute ago, ElEl said:

Checked my ET Legacy installation and my cvar is set to 0. I think it's this one anyway

seta ui_autoredirect "0"

 

Yeah, gonna try it, but my point is if that's Legacy auto setting then no surprise people using latest version are not redirected to jay2.

[Haruhi Suzumiya]

Personally I'd play on jay2 a lot if there wasn't adren.  I don't like to play when there's more than 18v18 on a server, just a spam fest, leaving jay1 a place I can only play during the night since it has way too many slots for maps to play as designed.  Sometimes I join jay2 when I want to play during the day but usually quit because of players on adren.

 

I feel a lot of jay1 players would join jay2 in these situations if there wasn't adren.  You'd gain more players than the very few you'd lose that like adren.

 

 

[captnconcrete]

21 hours ago, Haruhi Suzumiya said:

Personally I'd play on jay2 a lot if there wasn't adren.  I don't like to play when there's more than 18v18 on a server, just a spam fest, leaving jay1 a place I can only play during the night since it has way too many slots for maps to play as designed.  Sometimes I join jay2 when I want to play during the day but usually quit because of players on adren.

 

I feel a lot of jay1 players would join jay2 in these situations if there wasn't adren.  You'd gain more players than the very few you'd lose that like adren.

 

 

lol like dren makes a diff against u anyhow. lol

 

ive noticed lately now after saying sumthing about heavy weapons hey captns on lets all go flamer panzer and gang up on him.lol even bawts are doing it .lol

 

ill agree to not use dren against u haru.lol doesnt make a diff anyhow . if u dont get the first hs off on u ur dead anyhow.lol an a long shot lol ull win 99 percent of time.!!!!

 

im tellin yea all its the cry baby bullshit kills the server.certain people cant resist ..

 

only person  id think u would be talking about is delord.  hes just a good player  .. with good settings. super fast!

 

 i love it tho   when i kill someone and they say dren .. and i havent used it not once makes me crack up laughing.  

 

or the medics who try to run hide and heal.. that one really makes me laugh.

 

also commonsense says to me well we had dren on jay2 when it was popular so wtf.!!!!!!

 

its lack of leadership . not near the attention from staff an above as there is on any other fa server. letdown was the  last active leader and hes been gone fur along while now.