Shuffle command

[daredevil]

I do find it a bit odd that we get !ban before !shuffle.

 

Like schnee said, by doing !putteam you're singling someone out and they're almost always going to complain about why them and not someone else and often just go spec or leave the server.

 

With ban, you can f*** up one user but i had seen admins even after saying, no, again and again used shuffle during -

 

1. middle of map even if teams are off by 2 players i.e. 16 vs 18

2. At the end of the map

3. During warmup beginning. No f***s up game loading and whole server

4. When new maps are being downloaded by players. More fk up

5. During intermission starts and it fks up people score in display - yes players like to see the score. 

 

We have 45 sec warm up. Best time to do shuffle is 30sec on warm up or during intermission i.e. 5 sec before next map loads.  That's why shuffle got moved to experienced admin league level from lvl 15 and above. Goal is to have at least 8 experienced admins i.e. 15+ for each servers. Sadly, hard to make fine admins know a days. Everyone wants to play mostly and when something doesn't work, just whine and hence admin shortage since last year or two. Everyone wants quick fix. Nothing like that exist. 

[Xernicus]

I had thought that the last (or the next-to-last) version of Jaymod had changed the shuffle to work based on the rate of change of XP of the players and not their total XP.

 

That is a bit better, but still not "perfect". 

I just checked the "manual" for JayMod 2.2, and it does indeed look like shuffle is based on gain of XP versus total XP as of 1.4, but that seems contradictory from what I've seen. When I use shuffle on Jaymod, I tend to see a "classic" shuffle- for example 200,000xp would go to Axis, 199,999xp would go to Allies.

[RedBaird]

4. When new maps are being downloaded by players. More fk up

Ahh, when a new-to-server map is being downloaded by everybody.  I first misunderstood your words to mean "when any player is downloading a map".

 

We have 45 sec warm up. Best time to do shuffle is 30sec on warm up or during intermission i.e. 5 sec before next map loads.

I want to understand your words perfectly.

 

We can shuffle when 15 seconds are left in the warm up of a new map, during the time before we can start fighting.

 

We can shuffle at the last 5 seconds of an ended map's intermission, just before the next map starts loading.

 

 

 

 

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[daredevil]

Ahh, when a new-to-server map is being downloaded by everybody.  I first misunderstood your words to mean "when any player is downloading a map".

 

I want to understand your words perfectly.

 

We can shuffle when 15 seconds are left in the warm up of a new map, during the time before we can start fighting.

 

We can shuffle at the last 5 seconds of an ended map's intermission, just before the next map starts loading.

 

 

 

 

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Yes. I thought we kill to win and not do any fights hehe

 

You can shuffle few seconds before intermission ends. This way player have at least 20 sec to see their score. But normally warm ups are best because after intermission few players would leave on next map causing shuffle to 30% fail. 

[cookiem0nster]

definitely late warmup period is golden, plus it gives a chance to mix up the teams so you don't do several maps of one team. Doing obj it gets old being only offense or defense (axis is usually on the defense).

 

I don't like to hop teams, don't want to stack anything but I gotta mix it up too. So I just pray for a warmup shuffle every now and again lol

[RedBaird]

I had one player complain about a shuffle because it "did not give us enough time to get the weapons we want."  I suspect that he lost the panzer.

[Dest!Ny]

I had one player complain about a shuffle because it "did not give us enough time to get the weapons we want."  I suspect that he lost the panzer.

 

well, the whole server doesnt spawn as soldier smg after a shuffle, everyone keeps the same class and weapon as long as both are available. if the panzer of both teams get shuffled into one team the one who switched teams will loose it, nothing a longer warm up will fix

Edited October 25, 2017 by Dest!Ny

[Chuckun]

I tend to shuffle in the last second of intermission... Most people don't notice it happen so they don't switch back.. other than the panzer whores etc who spawn on new map without their desired weapon

[PhoeniXx]

I tend to shuffle in the last second of intermission... Most people don't notice it happen so they don't switch back.. other than the panzer whores etc who spawn on new map without their desired weapon

This is a better option to shuffle before 5 secs, lesser problems with stackers.....

Even if a shuffle is done anytime stackers will stack anyway..... So shuffling doesn't help that much.... It's better to use !putteam cmd to balance teams

[Masa_1964]

This is a better option to shuffle before 5 secs, lesser problems with stackers.....

Even if a shuffle is done anytime stackers will stack anyway..... So shuffling doesn't help that much.... It's better to use !putteam cmd to balance teams

Thats how I have dealed situation so far, there will be stackers and that gives some time to see stackers to do spec or change teams. If you do it earlier shuffle makes no sence cause when game starts players have had too much time to adjust their desired team and most cases u end to put players other team to make map playable for both teams. Some maps are done way too fast once u get people on right team at first minutes of game.