ET Jay #2 Remove the censors for Jay2

[ElEl]

I propose that we remove every censored word on Jay2.

 

• For starters, we're all adults. No one is offended by a single swear word every now and again.
• If someone really wants to say a naughty word, they'll just remove or add an extra letter to bypass the filter.
• Some words are quite silly to filter out. Bot, 180, boot, bone, kanker (literally just cancer in dutch), capo, 172, nazi (what's this game about again?). There are definitely more that I can't think of right now.
• We have vsays on the server that says the filtered words out loud, I don't really see how saying them in chat is worse.
• Admins can just mute for insults, regardless of if they use censored words so the censor list seems a bit redundant.

 

I think the filtered words such as the n word should stay filtered. By filtered I mean they are not able to even be sent as the server stops the client from sending the message. The f word (fook pronounced like book) should not be included with this though and should be free to say.

 

Thoughts?

Anyone against this proposal, and if so, why?

[Koen]

Yes

[daredevil]

Post approval enabled for this topic since I can see where it will end up. So only valid post will be approved and approval would be delayed depending on when moderators see it because of long weekend i.e. thanks giving!

 

Once we have admins 24 x 7 - in my opinion, yes we can. Some words like bots, they are their so stupid players who have zero idea about game, can't keep on accusing good players.

 

Also censor makes life easier for admins. I don't want admins to baby sit - rather they should enjoy game. I would rather perfect censor so it covers 70% of cases i.e. 70% less work for admins. 

[CabaL]

I think censors for any and all servers should remain in place. Admins already deal with enough irritating trolls and disrespectful people as it is. We really dont need more on our plates.

 

As DD said, we're not here to babysit, we're not paid by the hour to babysit and manually filter what people can and can't say.

 

As for as the we're all adults point, doesnt change a thing tbh. Seen grown ass adults poorly handle themselves on servers. They resort to calling fellow players homophobic, sexist, racial slurs, and downright disrespectful and hateful comments.

 

Yes, people are gonna try and find ways around the filters, and they'll be handled as such. But if someone just gives up trying to call someone a slur or hateful comment cause the server blocked them 3-4 times, then thats a win.

 

Dont give people the ability to say whatever they want without some auto restrictions.

 

If we could remove some of the words that surely cant be used in a negative manor, then fine. Let's take a look at the list and see what we can enable. But removing the entire censor config or plugin (whatever it is), would be horrible for the community server(s).

[ElEl]

1 hour ago, daredevil said:

Once we have admins 24 x 7 - in my opinion, yes we can. Some words like bots, they are their so stupid players who have zero idea about game, can't keep on accusing good players.

Words like hacker, cheater and aimbot aren't censored is the problem with this. When people try to talk about omnibots on the server it's frustrating to see them wonder why bot is censored. I don't think any of these words should be censored anyway because the censor can be worked around if someone really wants to say something, making it entirely redundant. Cheat calling was a massive problem on Jay2 as it is and not one of the people that accused others of cheats used the word 'bot'.

 

I'm wondering why some of these words are censored as well, we noticed on the server earlier that 'turkey' is censored? It's just a bit annoying when you want to say something but the censor blocks it out and you've got to reword it.

 

I don't think censors will ever work, if someone really wants to get a point across and insult someone, there's nothing stopping them. It doesn't reduce admin work at all in my opinion. I would like a discussion about it and want to hear other people's opinions though.

[Hulk]

No

[bLade.]

Same issue in jay1, some words that should not be censored are. For instance, “horsey” is censored while some offensive words are not. Someone had said it’s a censor bug but i’m not sure of that. I think the list of censored words honestly needs to get edited to avoid confusion. 

Edited November 27, 2020 by bLade.

[ElEl]

1 hour ago, CabaL said:

Dont give people the ability to say whatever they want without some auto restrictions.

I think you've misunderstood the point of my post, I recommend you go back and re-read it. I never proposed this idea. I proposed removing the censor list not the filter list. Some words have no right to be said on the server such as racial and homophobic slurs. These words are in the filter list i.e. the server prevents you from sending a message if it contains those words. Words in the censor list are replaced with asterisks. Those are the ones I want removed.

 

1 hour ago, CabaL said:

I think censors for any and all servers should remain in place. Admins already deal with enough irritating trolls and disrespectful people as it is. We really dont need more on our plates.

I've noticed something funny, so far the people that play on Jay2 have voted yes and those that don't play on Jay2 have voted no - Why? I've spent a long time on Jay2, probably a lot more than anyone that has replied here has recently and I can honestly tell you, the censor does nothing for this. Yes, maybe it should be kept for Jay1 but that's not what this post is about, it's about Jay2. If we trial my idea and it's proven that there is more work, then I'm fine with being proved wrong but I can tell you that in my experience, I do not think this will increase admin work load. If anything it will make it more apparent who the people are that need muting, making it easier to gather proof and take action. 

 

Also, we have vsays that insult more than anyone does in chat. Why are those fine but saying it in chat is worse? Someone made a complaint about one of the vsays being racist and a founder said it should stay. It just seems a bit contradictory to me.

 

1 hour ago, CabaL said:

But if someone just gives up trying to call someone a slur or hateful comment cause the server blocked them 3-4 times, then thats a win.

I've never seen that be the case. Besides, if someone were to say something offensive and a word got censored, the intention to insult is still there so they should be warned/muted regardless of it was censored in chat or not.

 

 

 

 

@Hulk As I said, I would like a discussion, if you'd like to give some reasons for why you're saying no, I'd be happy to hear them.

 

I'd prefer this topic be regarding Jay2 only, Jay1 is a completely different environment and I don't want that affecting the decision for Jay2.

[Broham]

 

 

4 hours ago, daredevil said:

I would rather perfect censor so

 

 

If this is possible, please do. I agree with some censorship existing, but as it is now it can be frustrating when it is not working 100%.

[-=HipKat=-]

Wait, 180 is censored?  I agree with everything daredevil said except one thing, some of the words that are censored just don’t make sense. Like I just mentioned, 180? And a couple of others also. Everybody always question is why the word Bot is censored when the servers have Bots and I understand people accusing other people of cheating but that is very rare. Although, people have found a way to get around that word also, like Bawt

Edited November 28, 2020 by -=HipKat=-

[daredevil]

1 hour ago, -=HipKat=- said:

Wait, 180 is censored?

 

Part of the IP - so rather then to ban players advertising for that clan - we just censored. Solved the issue. They should have been removed but are not. While I am working on something important, might just remove that. 

[Mufasa]

It's a bit hard to understand voice chats saying things that you're not allowed to type. Ultimately, I can't imagine a significant number of conflicts have ever been avoided or reduced because someone said ******* instead of dumbass. The intent is still clearly there in both cases, and that's what will cause the conflict. I could be very mean and disruptive without saying a single censored word, too. There's no enforcement mechanism to the censor such as logging or automatically warning / muting, so I guess I struggle to see the value in keeping the censor... but I also don't care.

[-=HipKat=-]

1 hour ago, daredevil said:

 

Part of the IP - so rather then to ban players advertising for that clan - we just censored. Solved the issue. They should have been removed but are not. While I am working on something important, might just remove that. 

Yeah, that makes sense, cool.

[RedBaird]

11 hours ago, daredevil said:

Also censor makes life easier for admins. I don't want admins to baby sit - rather they should enjoy game. I would rather perfect censor so it covers 70% of cases i.e. 70% less work for admins. 

 

I agree with this very much.

 

We (DD+) has added features to the FA ET servers over the years that reduce the admins' workloads.

 

• With the auto-put-AFKs-to-spec, we no longer have to spend time making sure that unmoving players are actually AFK before we put them to spec.  
• With the auto-set Rate to 45,000 and max_packets to 100, we not longer have to try to explain those settings to new players who join with the ET defaults.  In years past, when a player did not respond, I would check the location of the IP and then use Google Translate to put my instructions into their language and send it to them, often with no results.  I would also often ask the players if somebody knew X-language so that the newbie could have a conversation about it, instead of just reading what Google Xlat had turned my words into. 😄 
• Not all players are "adults", whether in age or mentality.  I would much rather read a quip/bon mot than I would an endless stream of gutter language that is all that some seem capable of emitting.  People use the F-word so much these days that it actually delays communications!   The N-word is a "sore spot" in the USA.  Some words in non-English languages are also censored.
• We have several anti-cheat modules that block some players and allow the admins to concentrate more on the 'borderline hotshot-or-cheater' situations, instead of battling the same old cheats over and over.  Admins get to play more and to dismiss some of the "sore head" cheat accusers.

I am in favor of keep the censors on, as it forces some people to be more creative when trying to insult someone or to somehow impress the crowd. 💤

[RedBaird]

12 hours ago, ElEl said:

We have vsays on the server that says the filtered words out loud, I don't really see how saying them in chat is worse.

 

The words in the vsays are not directed at anyone as the censored text-words often are.