Administrators daredevil Posted March 18, 2018 Author Administrators Share Posted March 18, 2018 Just to make it clear - Default oasis get's loaded after server restart but then on next map it get's removed from voting and is not available to play either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators daredevil Posted March 18, 2018 Author Administrators Share Posted March 18, 2018 Im laughing because when i went on HC and called a vote to remove italy. 10/14 people voted yes = 71% which shows my percentages were NOT exaggerated. 2018-02-04-155729-sw_goldrush_te.jpg More people joined later saying they want Italy gone too. Should be enough proof that im not just fabricating everything ive said out of nowhere. Will also go on another time and get votes from another sample. So out of 100's of player - you called the vote to remove that map in 'one' map - and even in that only 71% voted to remove it? Yes, it's exaggeration in my book. https://www.screencast.com/t/3EuSmQWJFEOz Anything below 10 times played after 14 days of adding that map can be removed. That opens up for 11 new custom maps. Let the suggestions roll for 11 new maps and I will gladly add those. After 2 weeks we repeat the same procedure. Update - While we are on that - I think to get more statistics correct, i can reset map votes logs, every 2 weeks so that we can get accurate idea. I will get that going sometime this week. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gengis Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Hi, I hear a lot about Italy. Some are good....some are bad. But it is played everyday on HC. So i must agree with DD here. There are many other maps rarely played that can be removed before Italy is taken out. Gengis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators daredevil Posted March 18, 2018 Author Administrators Share Posted March 18, 2018 Hi, I hear a lot about Italy. Some are good....some are bad. But it is played everyday on HC. So i must agree with DD here. There are many other maps rarely played that can be removed before Italy is taken out. Gengis That's the reason we have map voting. If it's that hated map it shouldn't get voted. But then I see another side also - Ex - map like Italy is being liked by 51% then we are pissing of another 49% players. So in that case - we can remove that map for time being and give players time to re-think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators daredevil Posted March 18, 2018 Author Administrators Share Posted March 18, 2018 Call this irony but i thought to replace that map and replace with TNT version with my modified settings, guess what happens? Server is playing italyfp2...... https://www.screencast.com/t/bwaE6mOdL0a 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheepHeep Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) It's not that many don't enjoy it. Even i don't mind it that much and I agree many like it but it's one of the only maps where many hate it too. One of the only maps where I hear many complaints like "oh God not Italy". Just a messenger here. Those are the facts. If you think we would benefit more from removing it than keeping it. Let's remove it. If not, keep it as it is and tells those that don't like it to put up with one map they hate or come back later. All that we can conclude about Italy is that it's not universally liked to the point where the ratio of like to dislike is significant when compared to other maps. Edited March 18, 2018 by CheepHeep 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum VIP Dest!Ny Posted March 18, 2018 Platinum VIP Share Posted March 18, 2018 That's the reason we have map voting. If it's that hated map it shouldn't get voted. But then I see another side also - Ex - map like Italy is being liked by 51% then we are pissing of another 49% players. So in that case - we can remove that map for time being and give players time to re-think. you are not taking into account that many dont vote at the end of map, and also that you need way less than 50% of the given votes because there are more than 2 options you can choose from. Generally speaking a map gets selected with about 5 votes (15 points) going to it on HC on a regular day, when the server gets full the number might get higher but often its the case that only one map gets voted a lot (24 points for example) while in place 2 you have 2 or 3 maps with maybe 6 points. If a solidified 30% of people will always vote italy when it comes up but out of the remaining 70% a certain fraction leaves, goes spec, or just generally doesnt have a fun time. Then is it really worth it to give this 30% what they want? In my opinion you are oversimplifying a system that isnt as simple in practice as it is in theory, and you should account for that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuckun Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Ok so like I always say in-game if ppl don't vote then they cant complaint. It's the same in politics, people don't vote then complain when the opposition wins lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum VIP Dest!Ny Posted March 18, 2018 Platinum VIP Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) Ok so like I always say in-game if ppl don't vote then they cant complaint. It's the same in politics, people don't vote then complain when the opposition wins lol well if people want to leave because a map they dont like comes up then the problem lies with you and not with them I guess, because you want people to stay on your servers while the people themselves can just switch whenever they want Edited March 18, 2018 by Dest!Ny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuckun Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 well if people want to leave because a map they dont like comes up then the problem lies with you and not with them I guess, because you want people to stay on your servers while the people themselves can just switch whenever they want Of course.. But ultimately I mean the ones who cry endlessly while doing nothing themselves to avoid what they're crying about. Which is about 99% of map whiners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators daredevil Posted March 18, 2018 Author Administrators Share Posted March 18, 2018 you are not taking into account that many dont vote at the end of map, and also that you need way less than 50% of the given votes because there are more than 2 options you can choose from. Generally speaking a map gets selected with about 5 votes (15 points) going to it on HC on a regular day, when the server gets full the number might get higher but often its the case that only one map gets voted a lot (24 points for example) while in place 2 you have 2 or 3 maps with maybe 6 points. If a solidified 30% of people will always vote italy when it comes up but out of the remaining 70% a certain fraction leaves, goes spec, or just generally doesnt have a fun time. Then is it really worth it to give this 30% what they want? In my opinion you are oversimplifying a system that isnt as simple in practice as it is in theory, and you should account for that. I am Ok with 'certain players' who 'never' vote and then whine for the map which gets loaded that they don't like. Those players tend to whine for 80% of maps except adlern and/or special delivery. Reminds me of my roommate back in the days who would whine for dirty carpet in his room but never once would do any cleaning. You are making it complicated while in reality it's not that complicated. Those 'certain players' would whine for everything which is not according to them. Good riddance for us which ruins certain atmosphere. I believed that since beginning and over the years, it has served well. If we have to educate player with more then 1-2 year ET playing time on hardcore how to vote, they better play on jaymod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum VIP Dest!Ny Posted March 18, 2018 Platinum VIP Share Posted March 18, 2018 I am Ok with 'certain players' who 'never' vote and then whine for the map which gets loaded that they don't like. Those players tend to whine for 80% of maps except adlern and/or special delivery. Reminds me of my roommate back in the days who would whine for dirty carpet in his room but never once would do any cleaning. You are making it complicated while in reality it's not that complicated. Those 'certain players' would whine for everything which is not according to them. Good riddance for us which ruins certain atmosphere. I believed that since beginning and over the years, it has served well. If we have to educate player with more then 1-2 year ET playing time on hardcore how to vote, they better play on jaymod. OT but I sure wish 70% of HC would stick to jaymod so it could actually be 'hardcore' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators daredevil Posted March 18, 2018 Author Administrators Share Posted March 18, 2018 OT but I sure wish 70% of HC would stick to jaymod so it could actually be 'hardcore' Are you saying 70% players have no clue on how to vote on mapvoting enabled server since we are discussing on voting? How did you guess 70% of HC players have no clue on how to vote? If you sure wish that 70% players of HC would stick to Jaymod then my friend you need to change the server and move to our ETpro because I firmly believe those 70% are not going to change anytime soon. Not saying, I am telling you not to play on our HC so don't take it otherwise. Based on your reply, if those 70% players haven't changed till now, they will not change in future either. Sometimes I feel you tend to argue, just for the sake for it. At one point you mention you don't have any experience in running server and then on another side you come up with numbers on our servers where you don't have any access to logs or our homegrown solution for stats recording. Hence my conclusion to statement of arguing. PS Drop 'Contact Us' or message me on Discord on about your mysterious 70% calculation as I would like to understand it to provide something better if I am missing something. Let's not go off topic before someone complains that we both are going off topic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gengis Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 It's not that many don't enjoy it. Even i don't mind it that much and I agree many like it but it's one of the only maps where many hate it too. One of the only maps where I hear many complaints like "oh God not Italy". Just a messenger here. Those are the facts. If you think we would benefit more from removing it than keeping it. Let's remove it. If not, keep it as it is and tells those that don't like it to put up with one map they hate or come back later. All that we can conclude about Italy is that it's not universally liked to the point where the ratio of like to dislike is significant when compared to other maps. Then why is it played so much if so many hate it ? The main problem with Italy is that it is allies sided ... too much IMO. That could explain why some hate it. So what about, for example, remove the extended time the allies get when to stole the gold bars ? Gengis 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynasty Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 I think the problem with Italy is the time that get added on the timer when the truck past certain stages of the map. i wouldn't mind a couple of minutes being added but the original timer is already at 30 minutes.... it does get impossible for axis to win and the map just become a long agony for them being stuck at their original spawn point. i used to hate Italy, now i like how you can fight a lot and get kills on it. I use to quit on the map, now i stay and endure for the sake of fragging lol. It can be good if teams are balance and no one get stuck on one stage. (i guess its the case for any map out there) isn't their like other versions of Italy with a modified first spawn for axis? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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