Teamplay

[Danny]

Hey guys,

 

most of my time of this server i play on beginners. So, i see, that the teamplay there is most of the time very bad. Regrettably

How i wrote on my introduce, i like to play in a good team, which there complete the skills together. Somebody as medic, field op, engineer and so on.

My question and if it is so, than a discussion: Is this on all Servers from FA or just on the beginners? Is there a server with good teamplay?

And the discussion: Why are (the good player too) the most of the players so selfish?

 

Greetings Danny

[Dest!Ny]

if you want to go teamplay I guess the best server would be HardCore (or Stopwatch when there are people ).

 

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[Owned]

the lack of teamplay has different reasons,

one of those is the fact that this is the internet, everyone does what he or she wants.

the second is that each person likes to do something else, mostly people enjoy playing as a medic and frag other people and other like to do the objective.

for your team to work together you have to communicate and initiate things yourself, an example: i played Italy a while ago and repaired the jeep up to the point of it bombing the doors so you can get the gold. noone else attempted but they did cover me (which is quite rare aswell). its mostly when you do the obj people will follow.

[GoldenWings]

I like teamplay really

et was originally developed for the american  military as far as I know

for to accurately learn the (team play)

 

 

 

[Danny]

the lack of teamplay has different reasons,

one of those is the fact that this is the internet, everyone does what he or she wants.

the second is that each person likes to do something else, mostly people enjoy playing as a medic and frag other people and other like to do the objective.

for your team to work together you have to communicate and initiate things yourself, an example: i played Italy a while ago and repaired the jeep up to the point of it bombing the doors so you can get the gold. noone else attempted but they did cover me (which is quite rare aswell). its mostly when you do the obj people will follow.

Yes, thats the problem what I mean

At the last server at which I played, there has everybody want to finish the map. Medics healed teammates... engineers became backup and so on. That´s what I mean. You´re right, you dont know, what the other people think about the game or what he/she want to do. But, why am I playing a online shooter, when i don´t want to play in a team? Than i could play at the single player / offline mode. I will not reproach somebody.. no no, I just want to discuss, and hope, that 1-2 people will read it and want to play more teamplay. Everybody is welcome there

[S3ti]

The server settings make most teamplay related things pretty irrelevant. It doesn't matter if you die fast and no one revives you, you have max. 10 seconds to respawn. Bodies are also gibbed in no time with fast shooting so there's usually not much left to revive. You start with 2 weapons + 4 clips each, and medics/fops drop their packs when gibbed. It's way more fun and satisfying to play together, happens also on Jay3 now and then. But public 'free for all' servers can't be compared with the 'real' thing anyway - stopwatch matches with a trained team

Edited September 8, 2013 by S3ti

[Xernicus]

Hmm... teamplay on Jay3. It actually happens more often than you think. The issue is that there's usually only one or two engineers on the team, with 8 or so medics, not counting the bots. Back when Adlernest was on the map rotation, I saw a TON of teamplay, it often blew me away. But what S3ti says is true, stopwatch matches with a trained team- where the goal of completing the obj is right in your face-- is where the real team play is.

Also, most new people to the game play on the Beginners server (not to say it's always easy, but because it's labeled beginners), and they have NOOOOO clue what they're doing. I figured it out pretty quickly with the flags and all, but for some people that doesn't happen.

[Elysian]

hardcore - competitive 

recruiting - competitive and lots of players

jay 2 - which might be beginners can be somewhat competitive 

[SunLight]

I think you should try Silent Mod servers (hardcore, stopwatch if it's not empty)

 

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About the reason why most players are 'selfish', that's not always the case and I don't know why they do. At most I can tell you why *I* am 'selfish',that is to say, why I don't play for the objectives most of the time (but I always revive when I play medic, if I can)

 

It's a wall of text, but if you are curious to know why, then you can read it.

 

Some years ago I used to play (at low- level and just for fun) 3on3 and rarely 6on6 on etpro (not officals ofc, I'm 2 bad, just scrims for fun).

When you played like that (having a real team of players you know, tactics for most maps, when you know who does what and when and where, and you can count on your team mates, and you also have teamspeak) playing for the objectives in a public server doesn't feel like 'the real thing'.

(and by the way, playing 'randomly' is less demanding and more relaxing)

 

At most you can get close in some etpro servers where many players had or have a team, and know how to play. And where the server settings make sense for objective play (stopwatch mode, etc. etc.)

 

In 'fun' servers where many players have never played like that, it's hard.

 

And there, you often see players telling you what to do all the time (typically engineers), and complaining that you don't help your team, when it's obvious that they have no idea about how to play the game themselves.

(let alone their ability to frag enemies, which is the basic to join even a lowskill team, because you can't go around with 20% mp40 accuracy and ask a medic to revive you 200 times every respawn)

 

And then you always find the usual fieldop who wastes all the artillery charge in useless places, medics that revive you on full when you had to selfkill (but wait: there is no 'full' in a server where you spawn every 10 seconds...) I could go on, but in other words it's hard to play for the objective in places where most players don't know how or they don't care

 

So many experienced players (that is, not me, because I played a lot but I have no exp.) probably prefer to try other challenges and other goals, i.e. trying to go for the score or play randomly,  or other things that can't be ruined by other people's mistakes but only from their own.

 

And last but not least, there is no point in finishing a map if you don't play stopwatch, since some maps are so easy to finish and allies would always win, and in some other cases axis would always hold.

[S3ti]

Totally agree with SunLight. Ofc basic stuff like reviving or dropping some packs should be natural if it can be done, seeing 2 medics walking past is annoying. And yes it seems to be a universal law that always the worst player on the server (~18 acc, 5-40 KD / can barely walk forward without hitting walls / manages somehow to plant a dyna in the end) start complaining about the team or server settings and what not, they would shoot 50+ acc and 150/10 KD if only they would have a good team or there was no adrenaline, no rambo medics, no campers, no lag.. ....

 

Sometimes I imagine the guys flaming how they would do on a 'standard' server or a classic match, with teamdamage enabled, one or two ammoclips to start, restricted stamina (no adre), that would be a big show. What I always like is if you get some position and start shooting, you see all will be good. Then some teammate walks or jumps in front of you blocking shots and waving to all opponents in range, then you die. Stuff like that is also basic teamplay imo, see some mate and set up a good crossfire and get 5 respawning people down. But that would involve thinking and logic, instead you better just die

 

No no one can be blamed that he doesn't know standard tactics or positions used in competition by pro players (so much can be learned by watching top players over at gamestv), but if people then start to flame about everything and it's obvious that they are just bad and clueless and get raped by the oldest tricks in ET it's useless to even start a discussion. But then again servers like Jay3 are just prone for getting most frags and do silly trickjumps, it's more like deathmatch. On other servers (or even scrims) with teamdamage, less starting ammo and higher spawntimes people are playing usually with more awareness. If people want to learn more about acting together, they won't learn it on Jay3

 

Just wanted to write a few words. But it's difficult when thinking about teamplay and stuff, pretty complex and there are so much aspects...In the end it's just pub with random people thrown together, sometimes it works, sometimes not. Anyway, real teamplay can only be learned by playing with other people over comms. Theory sounds always easy but collecting experience by playing competitions and scrims is the more important factor and that just comes by practice and only over years.

 

Edited September 9, 2013 by S3ti

[tipsy]

Play on jay1 and soon enough you will learn  to tap out fast instead of waiting for medic to heal you ... and its so fun there you won't be in need of  "teamplay "

 

 

Jay1 wins here... you all can play on jay1 and learn something.

 

 

[SunLight]

I enjoy trying to do the objective when it's a challenge (not to rush, otherwise it's boring) like in goldrush when getting the gold is almost impossible and it won't rush the map because time is almost over.

 

And being a medic is hard too, I remember once (in Jaymod) a player asked me to help him planting in oasis.

I was medic but I wasn't able to do my job well, he strafejumped really quick so already following him was hard, then you have to decide whether to fight or revive, if crossfire or wait behind him with the needle in corners, etc.

I played a lot of ET, but I feel that I have no experience at all, and if only I had played the 'real game' more often or watched good players more, maybe I would have learned these things.

[S3ti]

And being a medic is hard too, I remember once (in Jaymod) a player asked me to help him planting in oasis.

I was medic but I wasn't able to do my job well, he strafejumped really quick so already following him was hard, then you have to decide whether to fight or revive, if crossfire or wait behind him with the needle in corners, etc.

I played a lot of ET, but I feel that I have no experience at all, and if only I had played the 'real game' more often or watched good players more, maybe I would have learned these things.

And what most people forget is that the escorted engis must to do the frags or at least do most of the damage so his medic only has to pick up his opponent. It's useless and also no fun when you have noob engis who run brainless into every chokepoint, or just want to get carried to the objective somehow, just for the sake they planted something (for public that is ofc )

[Danny]

Yeah, most of you are right.

That teamdamage is enabled on beginners is negative to play, but I think, if it would be enabled it would be more negative ^^

 

As i said, I played on a ET Server, 5 years ago. There was stopwatch, teamdamage and teamplay ^^ (and respawn time from 30 seconds)

There were bad medics, too... yes, but most of the teams took them, what the team needed. 

I´m agreed with the post of SunLight. In every point (which I understood ^^ ).

I know too, that most of the engineers are noobs, which want to rush and dont know how. But not everybody ^^

Another problem, so I think, are the XP, weapons, healstatus and so on. You become for a kill, 3 XP. But, so I think everybody is angreed, it´s easier to kill as medic, then as a engi. Or the weapons: Medics want to heal. Why have they full weapon equipment? If they would have 30/30 of bouth weapons, so they must find a field op, to fill up there ammunation. 

 

I don´t want to critcize the server. No, i like it to play here. But I think, (my meaning), it could be better, if some classes would not be pushed so extrem ^^

 

Greetings

[SunLight]

In general I do what others do

 

If I join a server and I see (most) people or even a group of players are trying to do objectives, I do them too. If they just frag then I frag.

 

In some maps I don't even know what the objective is ^^ and mostly I play randomly just to have fun (or I try to frag players who are better than me ^^)