Connection Posted January 10, 2009 Posted January 10, 2009 i don't think the slippery slope process really applies here -- we are talking about an add-on weapon, not one of the basic, built-in types like panzer or r-nade that ppl usually complain about. jaymod poison is alot easier to deal with than etpub poison, in that you can still shoot straight while posoned; what really bugs me about these weapons is that you can't pick up enemy medpacks to heal yourself. i kill the medic that tossed a knife at me ( why is it always a medic lol ) more than half the times i've been poisoned, and it's an accomplishment anyway to kill someone with 60 more hp than you, let alone doing it while poisoned; what really irks me about poison knives is that even after being poisoned, getting shot at by 4 people at once, still managing to take down the medic, gib him and stand on his medpacks, i still die from poison. are there not settings you can tweak for these? like making ppl wait 10 sec between throws, limiting the number a player gets, only letting certain classes get them, and letting you heal yourself from enemy medpacks etc?? i mean there's no reason to expect daredevil to turn his jaymod server into all etpro settings; it's a 'fun' server and ppl play jaymod expecting dumb things like poison knives.. but maybe we could satisfy both sides of the argument by toning these things down so that they are not so overpowered that people will feel like thay have been so cheaply killed. if it was my server, they would never be on the server to begin with. but it's not my server. i don't want to be telling the F|A founders what to do -- guys, i'm just giving you my honest opinion and whenever i get tired of playing fallout 3 ( woot ) i'll still come around no matter how silly your place is =p Quote
Ackmey Posted January 10, 2009 Posted January 10, 2009 are there not settings you can tweak for these? like making ppl wait 10 sec between throws, limiting the number a player gets, only letting certain classes get them, and letting you heal yourself from enemy medpacks etc?? i mean there's no reason to expect daredevil to turn his jaymod server into all etpro settings; it's a 'fun' server and ppl play jaymod expecting dumb things like poison knives.. but maybe we could satisfy both sides of the argument by toning these things down so that they are not so overpowered that people will feel like thay have been so cheaply killed. if it was my server, they would never be on the server to begin with. but it's not my server. i don't want to be telling the F|A founders what to do -- guys, i'm just giving you my honest opinion and whenever i get tired of playing fallout 3 ( woot ) i'll still come around no matter how silly your place is =p Very well put. I support barcode. Limit the knives, make them less powerful, but don't ditch them. Quote
Administrators daredevil Posted January 10, 2009 Administrators Posted January 10, 2009 i don't think the slippery slope process really applies here -- we are talking about an add-on weapon, not one of the basic, built-in types like panzer or r-nade that ppl usually complain about. Agreed. jaymod poison is alot easier to deal with than etpub poison, in that you can still shoot straight while posoned; what really bugs me about these weapons is that you can't pick up enemy medpacks to heal yourself. i kill the medic that tossed a knife at me ( why is it always a medic lol ) more than half the times i've been poisoned, and it's an accomplishment anyway to kill someone with 60 more hp than you, let alone doing it while poisoned; what really irks me about poison knives is that even after being poisoned, getting shot at by 4 people at once, still managing to take down the medic, gib him and stand on his medpacks, i still die from poison. Somehow, it's the way Jaymode is designed. Since, its not open source we can't do much. are there not settings you can tweak for these? like making ppl wait 10 sec between throws, limiting the number a player gets, only letting certain classes get them, and letting you heal yourself from enemy medpacks etc?? i mean there's no reason to expect daredevil to turn his jaymod server into all etpro settings; it's a 'fun' server and ppl play jaymod expecting dumb things like poison knives.. but maybe we could satisfy both sides of the argument by toning these things down so that they are not so overpowered that people will feel like thay have been so cheaply killed. 1. You can't add wait time for throwing the knife like ETPUB. 2. Can't limit it to certain class. 3. You can't heal yourself from medic packs of enemies. It was introduced to improve "team play" rather then "solo medic". 4. If I turn Jaymode into ETpro then it would be odd because Jaymod is fun + good learning mode if right settings are used. Ex. No moltovs, no double jump, no adrenaline noob whoring, etc etc... if it was my server, they would never be on the server to begin with. but it's not my server. i don't want to be telling the F|A founders what to do -- guys, i'm just giving you my honest opinion and whenever i get tired of playing fallout 3 ( woot ) i'll still come around no matter how silly your place is =p That's what we really want. Unless you tell us where to improve we can't do much. I have played all mode from time to time. I like few things from each mode and few don't. But few of this mode makers are so "selfish" that game is free but they want to keep their mode closed source or don't want share their coding with other modes. After all they don't understand if all modes become good it would be more fun. I really don't mind anyone suggesting anything. I just take it as +1 step to make our server more good. If this is a democracy then the motion to remove the poison knifes is winning! If you're going to disable them for certain maps then limit the number of knifes used...to 1... you get one shot! you miss and I take your face off :shock: No it's not. If it would outright win by majority votes we could remove it all the way but votes are 8-7. If I am not wrong in democracy you don't neglect minority eithers and 7 votes indicate tie situation rather then minority. I voted yes to remove it because of only few people who all do is knife knife knife.... My point of view: Their are only 5% players who have mastered the art of throwing knife. If you say it's cheap kill why not try it and show how much you are also skilled in throwing knife? Indeed it's overpowered because you can use half the way of the map. My suggestion which are possible according to me: 1. 5 maps with no poison knifes and 5 with poison ones. 2. Reduce the knifes to 2 per player for 5 maps or for all maps. Opine yourself and we would be having some mix and match things so all can enjoy! PS I personally don't like poison knifes lol.. but I can't put or run server with my choice since every person from different race, country, etc plays on our server. Quote
PINKCAPS Posted January 10, 2009 Author Posted January 10, 2009 demo of a player who has "mastered the art of throwing knifes" with its steep learning curve http://www.megaupload.com/?d=N0GS49N9 I just started recording for the hell of it because he always does the same shit, you can see a random player comment on the knifes. I like how joe says "just dodge the knifes" and you can clearly see the knifes hitting a wall and going around a corner to hit the enemy. peace Quote
killyounow Posted January 10, 2009 Posted January 10, 2009 I can't understand this... Knives are 10 times harder to hit than rifle nades... many many players use rifle nades as their primary weapon and its always a 1 shot 1 kill (and they also bounce around corners, even more than knives), so why don't people scream to take those away. Every player gets poison knives, so every player has a choice to use them, yet not many people do... why?... becuase they are hard to use (yes and now scream that people who use them have no skill, but funny how when I strictly use mp40 I get way more kills than when I use knife and mp40). Just because you poison someone doesn't mean you get a kill, it hardly ever ends up a kill unless you finish them off with a gun, plus each team is loaded with medics, and with 15 on each side your bound to be standing next to one to heal you (makes a good use for medics). You guys make it seem that knife kills are the easiest thing to do, if you think that, try them and see how many kills you actually get. And to the remark saying that some players only use knife, very doubtful because those players will only make 10-12 kills per map which would not cause this kind of a post to begin with. I myself average 15-20 poison kills and 20-25 gun kills per map, so mastering both weapons is the only way you will generate the hate twords the knives. I think people need to distinguish the actual problem from "omg I am getting killed too much, and since I have been poisoned before I died that must be the reason why." If you make a change can you make it consistent between maps because we have no way of telling if posion is on or off for a certain map. So basically it will take 2-3 maps just to realize poison is on or off, then we have to adjust our play accordingly, and by the time that happens poison has changed again! Quote
FeM Posted January 10, 2009 Posted January 10, 2009 that's why I vote for decreasing numbers of knives... from 4 to 2 ... Quote
Administrators RainierWolfcastle Posted January 20, 2009 Administrators Posted January 20, 2009 I vote to leave them exactly the way it is now. People complain about it like they complain getting hit by panzers and rifle grenades. Well you know what? pick up a knife, and learn how to use them, and you will find that they are a little harder to use than a rifle grenade or panzer. Leave the knives be! Quote
-=Medic=- Posted January 20, 2009 Posted January 20, 2009 Of course keep it ... Do you know what the hell it gonna happen if KillYouNow can't use it .. he just gonna kill us all :shock: So keep it keep it and don't mess with KYN tool Quote
killyounow Posted January 20, 2009 Posted January 20, 2009 don't mess with KYN tool LOL the 1st good tool i have ever seen! Fem may go crazier than me if you take em away! Quote
Childsplay Posted January 20, 2009 Posted January 20, 2009 I think it would be fair also to have poison knives for half the maps and just regular knives for the rest even though i dont care what weapon people choose they are aggravating Quote
FeM Posted January 20, 2009 Posted January 20, 2009 don't mess with KYN tool LOL the 1st good tool i have ever seen! Fem may go crazier than me if you take em away! Quote
Ladyluck13 Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 no screw that, poisen knives are fun as shit, plus only noobs get killed with poisen knives ^^ lol. its actually kinda hard to hit people with them if the person knows how to play and move. Quote
CaldasGSM Posted February 16, 2009 Posted February 16, 2009 yes..please remove knifes ... I don't know why ppl use it.. if they run out of ammo..its ok..but they use it as much as a primary weapon.. I have no problem if they want to use it to make it a little more challenging.. or just to humiliate the opponent.. :roll: but I have a problem about it being no ANNOYING :x .. When you get it with a knife..you know you are gonna die.. but you have to wait in agony.. until you die without being able to to anything about it... no point in keeping running for the obj.. because you will not make it.. and hard even to try to take the one that throw the knife with you..all you can do is wonder..like a f*cking drunk dude.. until you crash.. wasting (sometimes) precious seconds... I think you should agree that, every soldier deserves the respect of a quick death So please.. when you engage on a fight, use a fire weapon... specially because you are causing many ppl to gain that habit.. with is making the gameserver very annoying... PS: ANNOYING .... I cant stress this enough... ANNOYING , very very ANNOYING :x .. and since its happening more and more frequently.. its getting more and more ANNOYING .. and makes me think about not returning to the server... which is a pity 'cause I like ppl there.. but its getting to ANNOYING :x Quote
epicofail Posted February 16, 2009 Posted February 16, 2009 NO, I need them very bed. I am extremely bed at this game :/ *Laugh it up, go ahead.* Knifes are my only hope to get some killz and not get loosinz spree. Quote
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