Trump travel ban: Seattle judge issues nationwide block

[CheepHeep]

So you're saying you are right and I am wrong?

 

There are always 2 sides and if it comes to that, those sides piss off and find out who's right, by...? Yes, fighting.

 

As I said in the middle east, there has been always war or other way reckless. Has there always been religious leaders to run the show?

 

Compare some dictator to a Trump. Does the ppl who support Trump act the way as the ones who follow dictators...There is nothing political in that imo.

 

So therefore a nuke does fix a problem. Civilians will die, but so does most of the radicalized ppl and the rest are then too weak to fight back.

 

If the numbers on the Isis or other terrorists would be low, dont you think they'd be wiped away already? Their leaders are like gods and ppl follow them so passionate that they go and blow themselfs packet with explosives...Is that not religious...

 

I know we could fight about this for ever, but... if one opinion is allowed and this kind of topics, is my opinion then wrong and I should stfu?

 

 

No I am not saying youre wrong. There is no right and wrong way about this except one thing. It is definitely wrong and ridiculous to bomb millions of people just to clear out the minority because, one, who on Earth is going to be the one to push the button and have all those innocent lives blood on their conscience and two, what human being could think that it is morally acceptable to do this? Solve violence with violence? Since when has that ever worked? If america resorts to dropping nukes, my god, i tell you one thing, america will be hated by the world and its own people. The amount of protests and violence that will arise from such an act would be more devastating to the country than what is happening now.  

 

And no a lot of it like i said is actually NOT religious. Its made to look like that. Read between the lines. Suicide bombers? How the actual fishcake is that a religious act. It says in most religions if you kill yourself, you go straight to Hell! So how could they be doing this in the name of God? Its hypocritical and the media has twisted and molded the mindset that IT is religiously motivated.....ISIS has now become a more politically motivated terrorist organization.not religious.

 

And youre right, there is never going to be a common ground with this. In the end, it IS a discussion and there wont be any bad blood between any of us <3

[vehx]

well cheep i agree in concept but i have seen the video of a mother kissing her child goodbye as the child ( 7 years old) is strapped with explosives and sent into a turkish police station ,,, and extreme islamic belief is that there is a reward for taking the infidels with you as you suicide bomb .... i have complete respect for progressive muslims that see the beauty of parts of islam ,but dont follow the extreme and hysterical aspects , and yes  there are some beautiful concepts within islam , but there are some very terible and oppresive aspects as well ,,, on the flip side , i have no love for evangelical christians that bible thump and snake handle , and in my opinion are hysterical and mentally unstable ,, and it bothers me when they say "you're going to hell if you dont believe "  but as off putting as that is , its still not the same as a belief that anyone that doesnt believe the way you do , deserves to die and its your obligation to take them to judgement , progressive muslims do not follow this ,, and because of this they are also in danger of the orthodox islamic wrath , me personally , i dont follow any organized religeous path , ,, i am on a life long quest to gather spiritual knowlege , i look at every type of belief , exam the different aspects , and gather what i find to be relevent and helpful , and add it to my overall understanding of things , and go forward in search of more enlightenment ...whne it comes down to it , your relationship with your higher power is uniquely yours and yours alone ,,,, and is not for anyone else to decide or dictate for you ... ok im done ...

[daredevil]

As long discussion is civil, this topic will remain open and so does others. - Thanks

[Platonic]

@alphaloki, I did not hide the other topic and neither did annibal. It will be explained to you in pm who hid it and why. I have hidden your post in this topic however, because it was completely off topic. Second and last reminder: use contact us or pm for these matters.

[CheepHeep]

Alpha I'm not sure what happened for you to post in such an aggressive manner. If you have an issue with anybody in the clan and wish for a solution or a compromise that will hopefully satisfy all parties, then i suggest you use the "contact" tab located at the top of the forum page. I recommend you take a few minutes to cool down first because, i'm given the impression that you're not emotionally stable as of now. I'd prefer you not act irrationally and post something you might regret later. I like you, you're a good member, i see you doing well here and its good that you're willing to stand your ground but there's a place for it. Unlike other clans that may not tolerate rebellious acts towards their leaders or founders, we at FA, welcome any critique, as long as its done with good intent, to improve the clan. If you want to vent or need someone to talk to. You can always PM me. It will remain confidential. You can trust me.

 

Regarding the situation, the reason and only reason posts are removed are if they are posted in the wrong place or they risk heated arguments. It is under the discretion and judgement of the specific staff member and sometimes you may not always agree. I have had some posts of mine removed that i could question but i put myself in their shoes first and think what i would do. I'd even imagine that some staff+ don't mind the posts but if they get messaged with complaints, they have to act. I recommend to just forget and move forward mate. It's only a post in the end. <3 

 

If you really have an issue, Use "contact us".

[Platonic]

All comments not talking about the news topic cheepheep posted, will be hidden.

As for my promise: I will not get involved in these topics again. I understand now being clan leader means putting your opinions aside and managing forums instead. I can't combine the two.

[Alphaloki]

Alpha I'm not sure what happened for you to post in such an aggressive manner. If you have an issue with anybody in the clan and wish for a solution or a compromise that will hopefully satisfy all parties, then i suggest you use the "contact" tab located at the top of the forum page. I recommend you take a few minutes to cool down first because, i'm given the impression that you're not emotionally stable as of now. I'd prefer you not act irrationally and post something you might regret later. I like you, you're a good member, i see you doing well here and its good that you're willing to stand your ground but there's a place for it. Unlike other clans that may not tolerate rebellious acts towards their leaders or founders, we at FA, welcome any critique, as long as its done with good intent, to improve the clan. If you want to vent or need someone to talk to. You can always PM me. It will remain confidential. You can trust me.

 

Regarding the situation, the reason and only reason posts are removed are if they are posted in the wrong place or they risk heated arguments. It is under the discretion and judgement of the specific staff member and sometimes you may not always agree. I have had some posts of mine removed that i could question but i put myself in their shoes first and think what i would do. I'd even imagine that some staff+ don't mind the posts but if they get messaged with complaints, they have to act. I recommend to just forget and move forward mate. It's only a post in the end. <3 

 

If you really have an issue, Use "contact us".

CheepHeep I do enjoy talking to you too and you know it However my post is not just about the sudden deletion of Wooter's thread. It is also about Platonic and Annibal's constant political posts. I can assure you I'm not feeling any particular emotion right now, nor did I before writing this post.

[Alphaloki]

All comments not talking about the news topic cheepheep posted, will be hidden.

As for my promise: I will not get involved in these topics again. I understand now being clan leader means putting your opinions aside and managing forums instead. I can't combine the two.

Then that's fine with me.

[CheepHeep]

I would expect anybody to be able to post their opinion. Leader or not. I understand that you may think that because you are of a higher authority, your input and thoughts may be a little harder to oppose but if you are fortunate to stay here long enough, you would understand that we are essentially the same. The levels are there to obviously keep things organized and in order. I mean someones got to manage things but it doesnt mean they should be barred from certain things at all.....

 

Anyway back on track. You can pm me alpha, and include whoever you want, if you wish to discuss it some more.

 

 

So.....What are your predictions on Trumps next move? 

 

 

Awkwardly trying to get things "on" topic

 

[Alphaloki]

I would expect anybody to be able to post their opinion. Leader or not. I understand that you may think that because you are of a higher authority, your input and thoughts may be a little harder to oppose but if you are fortunate to stay here long enough, you would understand that we are essentially the same. The levels are there to obviously keep things organized and in order. I mean someones got to manage things but it doesnt mean they should be barred from certain things at all.....

 

Anyway back on track. You can pm me alpha, and include whoever you want, if you wish to discuss it some more.

 

 

So.....What are your predictions on Trumps next move? 

 

 

Awkwardly trying to get things "on" topic

 

Platonic's decision is fine and wise. I accept the bargain so let's not talk about it here, only via PM.

[Ann!b@l]

It is also about Platonic and Annibal's constant political posts. I can assure you I'm not feeling any particular emotion right now, nor did I before writing this post.

I shared my opinion in maybe 2 topics only in 6 years.. Can hardly say it's constant. And I feel sorry you took my opinion(s) as a pontificating speech.. but tbh it sounds more like an issue with your own conscience rather than my opinion(s).

 

 

Anyway, after have seen\read some comments and how turned the thread(s), I have decided this morning me too to hold on my Leader position and to not discuss politics anymore, no matter the subject. Have fun!

Edited February 5, 2017 by Ann!b@l

[Alphaloki]

I shared my opinion in maybe 2 topics only in 6 years.. Can hardly say it's constant. And I feel sorry you took my opinion(s) as a pontificating speech.. but tbh it sounds more like an issue with your own conscience rather than my opinion(s).

 

 

Anyway, after have seen\read some comments and how turned the thread(s), I have decided this morning me too to hold on my Leader position and to not discuss politics anymore, no matter the subject. Have fun!

My conscience is fine, Annibal. But thanks, much appreciated and wise decision.

[CheepHeep]

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[Ann!b@l]

My conscience is fine, Annibal.

cheers!!

[Alphaloki]

I honestly think both you and Platonic have made a wise decision today. To me it shows your status as leaders is deserved. You'll probably hate my guts for a while but don't take it personally, really.