krosan Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 Hi, Using the name Hitler is allowed. Saying the word Jew is not. Racism is not allowed. Having the name of person responsible for the genocide of at least 5.5 million Jews and millions of other victims whom he and his followers deemed racially inferior is allowed. 3
Xernicus Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 Hi, Using the name Hitler is allowed. Saying the word Jew is not. Racism is not allowed. Having the name of person responsible for the genocide of at least 5.5 million Jews and millions of other victims whom he and his followers deemed racially inferior is allowed. I'll try to keep it simple. "Jew" is derogatory, "Hitler" is not. Although he did very horrible things, he is long since gone, and his name is well... not anything but a name. I'm not a fan mself, but I don't let it bother me... my suggestion is to leave the 20th century where it belongs and not let yourself be bothered by it. Peace of mind is a rather nice thing. Judaism is also not a race, but a religion. But as a whole: derogatory comments and bigotry = not allowed, period. Doesn't matter what they are about. 2
krosan Posted February 21, 2015 Author Posted February 21, 2015 The millions of Jews most probably don't agree with not being bothered with someone impersonating Hitler. As far as racism goes, I'm sure this qualifies.
Xernicus Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 I could go on and on about how my culture was discriminated against, enslaved, etc... but I don't- like most people in the world. We've grown as humanity, working to right wrongs, and we should just be happy about the progress that we've made so far, while striving to continue the work of equality and human rights.It is your decision, and your decision alone, whether or not you are going to let an internet troll make you upset.That being said, I would like to re-emphesize my point over the fact that it's just a name: http://www.vice.com/read/meet-the-hitlers-matt-ogens-interview-183 (the article is written by a Jewish person, no less) and there's still people with that name even today. It has not been outlawed.
krosan Posted February 21, 2015 Author Posted February 21, 2015 I get your point. But I think I can make my point of view more clear this way: An internet troll with the name Hitler has 1 purpose: to deliberatly provoke or upset people, using racism to achieve that purpose. How can that be allowed? (I think we don't have to act naive to say the player chose the name Hitler out of any other reason than provoking people)
SinfulRaevyn Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 Unless he starts shouting heil hitler every time he kills someone or purposely taunts people, then we don't bother with names.. Otherwise we have to kick and boot many long time regulars for their names. Clamslammer could be seen as derogatory against women.. Galt is a serial killer.. Chris Kyle could offend iraqis because to them he was a murderer.. it goes on and on. Until it starts targeting players or insulting people directly, we really don't touch it. I mean... Hitler may be the worst murderer in history, but the surname is still in use my many people today who don't even have ties to him.. We never touched the name in Wolfenstein ET which is a WW2 themes shooter so I don't see any sense of touching it now. If it really bothers you, you can play the opposite team and just kill him over and over. ^_- 3
krosan Posted February 21, 2015 Author Posted February 21, 2015 So using the name ISIS-lover is also fine and dandy? Saying "I hate Jews" is clearly not allowed, yet the name implies just that. Double standards... Sigh.
GI-JOE Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 (edited) Seriously? Why is the name Hitler allowed but calling someone a smelly f***ing jew isn't? Are you serious? Is common sense dead? Shut the f*** up and bake me some cookies, ya jackass. Edited February 21, 2015 by GI-JOE 4
krosan Posted February 21, 2015 Author Posted February 21, 2015 Thanks for taking this seriously... not.
Popular Post soulJAHmon Posted February 21, 2015 Popular Post Posted February 21, 2015 We do take racism seriously krosan. We do not allow racist attacks on other players in our servers. A guest with trollish name and who is just a douchebag, is not something we are here to prevent. That would require shutting down the entire internet. It's not our job to police the morale character of everyone who wanders into our servers, or to protect the sensitivities of everyone there either. Our job is only to prevent personal harrassment of our guests, and promote a fair/fun environment. Our language filter is not perfect, but it is only one tool we have to do our job. PS. Joe - eat some pot cookies, take a nap, and call me in the morning , kay buddy? 10
speedfact Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 (edited) Jew is allowed to say, we just have it in the spam filter to prevent people from over using it in insults. Hitler is allowed because if we banned one name that offended someone we would have to ban all these too. Which yes they offend people and yes they are bad people but they are just words. Long as none of them are recruiting for their teams on our server or insulting people using racism, sexism or show religious intolerance (or any other -ism I have forgotten), we got no problem with any of the names. Also what joe is trying to show in his post is what you would see on server if we removed the word jew from the spam list. Yes the spam list not the bad word list. Contrary to belief we do not warn for language nor for names. We just try to prevent trolls who use certain names or words from comin on server and being dicks. (course soul pretty much summed it up in a couple lines but i really have been wanting to use this comic for a couple weeks now....) Edited February 22, 2015 by speedfact 6
Joshmeister Posted February 22, 2015 Posted February 22, 2015 In the end, both Hitler and Jew are just words, and it really only matters how you use them and in what context. We are reading Huck Finn in school, which has led to great debates over whether or not the n word should be included in Twain's extremely weird and kind of boring novel. We watched a short documentary on it in which one of the experts brought up this point- that for any word, it's not really a bad word if both sides are fine with it and that word is used in the right way. If a person were to say "I hate Jews", that would be , as already stated above, not racist but just mean. If a person were to just say "You are a Jew", it's not really mean because they are not using it in a derogatory manner. "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me". We've all heard this dozens of times, but it does actually connect to situations like this. This is the internet. People say mean stuff that may offend you. Those mean people are only using words, and are not physically harming you, so why should you care? If you do get offended, you could always ask them to stop, and if they don't, then simply give up and let it go. Server-wise, Soul summed it up.
EmtHipple Posted February 22, 2015 Posted February 22, 2015 This again....Nothing I can say that hasnt been said about how we judge this situation. That said as for Hitler killing the most, I'm just gona leave this right here and we can talk about other names that should be banned then 2
krosan Posted February 22, 2015 Author Posted February 22, 2015 (edited) Well thanks for explaining guys. To reply to some of the comments (don't get me wrong, I appreciate that you guys are taking the time to debate): Those mean people are only using words, and are not physically harming you, so why should you care?---Which yes they offend people and yes they are bad people but they are just words. Using Hitler as a name to provoke people is fine, but saying f*** 3 times in a row gets you auto-kicked. Now how's that for policing the morale? Who am I offending when I'm saying "f*** me, that was a f***ing nice shot!"? You can't say f*** but when someone is pretending to be Hitler and provoking people, we should all just grow a skin. That's what I mean with double standards. f*** is also just a word, so why should we care then? "I hate Jews", that would be , as already stated above, not racist but just mean This in my understanding is exactly what racism is. While there are so many different cases of admin intervention on FA servers, the fact that this kind of racially provocative slurs are getting a lenient treatment completely escapes me. But okay, if that's what you guys want them I can't change that. Sometimes it really feels like FA admins are always defensive when it comes down to their rules. You could also look at this as an opportunity to maybe tinker the rules a bit to make them better. I'm happy with the rules in general except some remarks, and surely my opinion may differ from the one that created the rules, but I'm sure no rulebook is ever perfect. Just like when I posted a year ago a topic about the wordfilter. Cun.t is allowed but vagina isn't (except on this forum, here it's the other way around). Instead of just taking it as a good headsup to alter the filter, everyone from FA got defensive when I was criticising the rules. Like I said I appreciate you guys taking the time to debate. Just sometimes it feels like there's no way of ever getting through that defensive shield. Edited February 22, 2015 by krosan
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