Panzer

[cashew]

Good morning everyone,

 

I'm always a bit cranky in the morning, so I thought this would be a good time to write about my opinios concerning this marvelous weapon. I have shared my opinion about this weapon already several times on the server, but i'll ask once more about your opinion. What do you think about the existence of panzer on public servers?

 

(My opinion are based on the circumstances on the silent1 server, i don't know about the situation on other servers)

 

I'll explain my personal view through some points of view i have heard on the servers:

 

1) "It takes skill to play with panzer". I agree, i takes skill to play WELL with panzer, so that you, for example, don't blast yourself when your shooting with it. But still, even a player with no skill at all can kill a great player, in worst case so that neither of them even see each other; the noob with panzer just shoots to some corner where the pro-player is just coming around. (Of course, this problem would be smaller if there was ff on the server. To make things clear, I like the ff being off )

 

2) "It's a part of the game". I know, it has been around from the beginning, but is that enough reasoning for the existence of it? That something has been there for a long time? If there has been a nasty stain on your wall for 5 years, you should just "learn to live with it" and never clean it? After all, there have been also some other changes in the weapons-category: for example i think ppsh i a great way to make fops and engis more attractive, instead of always using medic.

 

3) "l0l st0p wh1n1ng or g0 cry t0 y0ur m0m!!??!!11! -ETPlayer (KR 0,623)" A well argued opinion, i must admit. I would just like to say that from my point of view, it might be nice for some players to get at least a few kills, thanks to panzer, but if it at the same time causes hard feelings for 10 players, is it really worth having panzer around?

 

Lastly, i would like to say one more opinion about panzer: if the majority of people see panzer as "part of the game that cannot be removed", i have one last wish: at least, take away the thompson/mp40 from the panzer-guy. Do they really need more firepower? After all, they already have the most damage-dealing weapon in the game...

 

-cashew

Edited January 17, 2013 by cashew

[Spitfire]

2) "It's a part of the game". I know, it has been around from the beginning, but is that enough reasoning for the existence of it? That something has been there for a long time? If there has been a nasty stain on your wall for 5 years, you should just "learn to live with it" and never clean it?

 

ET was made with panzer in it,i highly doubt someone's walls were made with stains on it.There has been a lot of arguments about panzer but yet there's nothing much changed,i believe it's best to keep things the way they are.

[BnBChumMaster]

 

and I would hope they would add PPSH to my weapons selection w/panzer. lol

 

Why is it people can't handle this weapon, or should I say just leave it alone because it annoys ( makes people post topics about their opinion ) you. I'd say leave ET and find another game to cry about.

[SunLight]

ET was made with panzer in it,i highly doubt someone's walls were made with stains on it.There has been a lot of arguments about panzer but yet there's nothing much changed,i believe it's best to keep things the way they are.

Yes, in fact in official competitions they always allow all weapons and classes, and they enable xpsave, and they allow going inside walls and bugs because it's part of the game, or pausing in supply while the crane is moving, since it's part of the game.

 

... not

 

I would say that the server config and rules decide what's part of the game and what's not, so all this 'it's part of the game' imho is a huge load of bs, games evolve and people eventually find out what is good and what makes the game worse. Now let's all gitch in aldernest and trickjump for obj since it's part of the game. Maybe fg42 player model bug too? Did they fix it?

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That being said, I don't think panzer is such a big problem, yes some bad players can kill you, but that happens with 2vs1 for example.

I would say: if you don't want to be killed by bad players, don't play together with bad players. Because they can always backshoot you, camp or something like that even without panzer.

[Spitfire]

That wasn't really my point.

[SunLight]

That wasn't really my point.

I see, but I just meant that even if et was made with feature 'x', it doesn't mean it should be kept for ever and ever just because of that. As regards panzer, I personally think it's ok to keep it.

I know that walls don't come with stains, but it was just an example he made, maybe not the best but you know what he meant.

Edited January 17, 2013 by SunLight

[cashew]

ET was made with panzer in it,i highly doubt someone's walls were made with stains on it.There has been a lot of arguments about panzer but yet there's nothing much changed,i believe it's best to keep things the way they are.

 

As i already pointed out in my opening message, there have been changes made since the publishing of this game; i pointed out the added ppsh, which i find very good.

 

...I just meant that even if et was made with feature 'x', it doesn't mean it should be kept for ever and ever just because of that.... ...games evolve and people eventually find out what is good and what makes the game worse...

 

Thanks for making my point clearer, sorry if that was somehow unclear from my opening message.

 

Why is it people can't handle this weapon, or should I say just leave it alone because it annoys ( makes people post topics about their opinion ) you.

 

Wow, that is really good arguing! As you said to me in the game, "panzer is good because it gets people annoyed". For everyone: my intention with this topic was to hear what you think are the positive and negative aspects having panzer around. I'm totally ok with people disagreeing with me, but only, if they can argue their points of view. Then we can talk about it, which i always find interesting and nice . But if the comments are like below, maybe it would be better to say nothing. After all, my intention was never to attack anyone personally, just to hear arguments for both sides.

 

I'd say leave ET and find another game to cry about.

 

"When you have nothing to say, say nothing"

Edited January 17, 2013 by cashew

[yellow flash]

imo there is allways something people dont like in surtain server/game they got 2 options find better server/game or put up with it im not saying everyone has to love panzer but its part of our servers so respect that. Ofc people can suggest removing it or like u sayd removing smg from panzer guy, thats why we got suggestion subforum . But if bad people kills good people so what? its "part of game" that u win and lose and so called "bad" people get kills. We do run fun oriented servers so we dont put settings that good fraggers would get kills all the time over "new" players. Its fair to all

[Bourbon kid :)]

It's war, deal with it mates! All weapon allowed.

[Kat0n]

My reasons to like and accept the panza (excepted the fact that it's a part of the game), maybe I'll convince you!

 

1) It's pretty fun to have some kills from time to time, especially when you can't play properly with other weapons. I personally don't play ET to be killed everytime, I like to have some kills from time to time.

In the same state of mind...take a newbie who just discovered ET. He doesn't play very well with smg and there's no "easier" weapon excepted riflenade maybe, even if riflenade is pretty hard to use if you're a newbie. He will quickly give up and find another game. How do you want to preserve a decent population on ET if all the new players (and older one, also) can't even take the time to appreciate the game?

2) Panza is also a way to avoid massive sk or to be dominated if the opponent is pretty powerful, by killing easily the campers or the good player(s).

 

 

Moreover, of course, play with the panza is funny and entertaining in itself

[INDIAN**]

i didnt understand the topic i think if he wants to remove panzer then that is bad because i like it.

if he asks to remove the secondary weapons to it then yes it may be good so as to balnce power of pz by person using pz being present only with luger to safeguard him until the pz recharges..........and things which are from beggininng can be changed but change to those things which people like need not to be changed..

[cashew]

My reasons to like and accept the panza (excepted the fact that it's a part of the game), maybe I'll convince you!

 

1) It's pretty fun to have some kills from time to time, especially when you can't play properly with other weapons. I personally don't play ET to be killed everytime, I like to have some kills from time to time.

In the same state of mind...take a newbie who just discovered ET. He doesn't play very well with smg and there's no "easier" weapon excepted riflenade maybe, even if riflenade is pretty hard to use if you're a newbie. He will quickly give up and find another game. How do you want to preserve a decent population on ET if all the new players (and older one, also) can't even take the time to appreciate the game?

2) Panza is also a way to avoid massive sk or to be dominated if the opponent is pretty powerful, by killing easily the campers or the good player(s).

 

Those are good points. And thank you so much, for understanding my purpose of setting up this topic .

 

For Dream: My intention when creating this topic was to collect some positive and negative aspects that people feel are assosiated with panzer. As i wrote in the opening message: "What do you think about the existence of panzer on public servers?" After that, I gave my personal opinion and reasoning for that. From my point of view, Kat0n made some very good points supporting the another opinion. And, as always, because this is about opinions, there are no right or wrong answers. Just some conversation in a constructive way, trying to understand the reasoning of the people with opposite opinions

[Chameleon]

I think the most important aspect of the panzer, for me anyway, it frustrates other players and that can be a good thing.. In the time I have been playing, I see someone using the panzer all the time and getting a lot of kills, even the better players sometimes get frustrated and they focus on the panzer player out of that frustration and focus less on their objective.. Which in turn helps out the opposing team.. I don't like getting constantly blown up by the thing, but I think it is a viable and important part of the game..

[advaita]

Being a Panzanoob myself i defend the presence of Panza and say it needs lots of skill and the settings can negate any advantage the panza has over the other light weapons.

 

1. Only 4 shots available unless you are able to find an ammo stack or a fallen panza.

2. Slow recharge time(based on soldier level and server settings).

3. Fast movement impossible while carrying it.

4. Enemy can dodge in anticipation because of slow rate of fire.

5. Accuracy dependent on trajectory settings and misfire often happen, long rage hits are rare.

[Octane]

I <3 Panzer