So, it would be great

[von Rantala]

Bye bye!

[Shogun!]

"threats"?  

 

sorry, but this is getting way blown out of proportion.  I call the server beginner server, I never have called it jay 3 so that is my mistake for thinking it is a different one.  Iam denying that I have ever 'stacked" teams, intentionally ignored unbalanced teams, arguing with admins on the server (disguised or not).  Iam also denying that I ever "ducked-out" of a server trying not to get caught for something.  Those are the facts.  I cant be responsible for things I didn't do, especially when there is certainly someone on the servers using my name and colors, in an obvious attempt to make people think he is me.  The guy did duckout quickly after I logged in.  I wouldn't even have any verification of that if DF Fighter hadn't logged on at the same time and seen it.  And yes, you are correct,  it wont get better for me if a higher level admin thinks Im a cheater and a liar.  Just please at least use this episode as a learning experience--contact players you are so dissatisfied with and tell them, before you punish them.  We all make mistakes, and I think this is one.  Its just good clan management.

[Ann!b@l]

Dude.. Can't you understand than guids don't lie. I myself saw countless times players wear my real nick.. Every admins\members can easily know who's the real who's the fake. So, even though there's someone usurping your nickname, he can't usurp the rest like your guid\level. As simple as that.

 

 

 

Speech full of wisdom.. Too bad than you did never apply all this. Anyway, thanks for this entertaining thread full of suspence and of turnarounds of situation but you will easily understand than management have other tasks and a life as well. So, play or not on our server(s) if you like, after all you're not banned.. noh?!? But in all cases, you got your explanation.. And no lvl4. End of discussion.

 

 

 

Regards.

Edited September 15, 2016 by Ann!b@l

[Xernicus]

Sheesh. Alright, this is getting out of hand indeed... Now some of this post is fact (per our wiki) and some of this is my opinion. I will differentiate between the two.
Please note that I am not =F|A= management, nor am I speaking on their behalf. These are my own personal points, some of which are backed up by our Wiki.

You are free to read and reference it here: http://www.fearless-assassins.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

I've had my level 4 removed twice now in the last 2 weeks with no warning and no pm explaining why. Its getting tiresome trying to guess what I did wrong, but after 4 years on the server I think that I at least deserve an explaination. I m really at the point of leaving the server all together.

Levels are given to community members on a basis that they will use their commands to help the server, and maintain a fair playing balance for all players. They are not a 'given', they are more of a 'gift'. In my opinion, if you are not using any commands, there is no reason to have lvl 4- regardless of number of years you have played. And in my opinion, "I'm at the point of leaving the server altogether" sounds like a threat that you will boycott FA servers if you do not get your lvl back.

Per our wiki:
 

Promotions -
Number 13: At the end of the day, you just joined Fearless Assassins community to get more admin level or in fact if you are just after admin level, then you will find yourself leaving soon or we will soon see post of you saying "I am leaving/resigning"

Number 18: You are in the community to help other players and regulars AND not for promotion. If you are joining us for levels or are getting butt hurt why you aren't promoted and others are, don't get butt hurt. Contact management using contact us and ask to look at your promotion. Do not message or ask staff+ to promote you, use the contact option on forums and select promotion from drop down form.

Wow--I respectfully disagree that any of this happened. At least with me. There was another shogun imposter running around the server that DF Fighter can verify. I haven't seen you on the server in a long time and I certainly haven't had any conversation like that, with you or any admin or player, either recently or anytime in the last 4 years Ive never been contacted either on server or on the forums about this. I purposefully join the team with the fewest players.

Alright. So... 1. Shogun is not a unique nick. It is a word in a dictionary. Same with color codes, they do not make a player unique. As for teams, there is more to fair balance than just the number of players, and as a past trial member you should be aware of this. We respectfully ask that you check the /scores before joining a team, keeping in mind the efficiency of each team, the map progress, and GP (objective points) so far. In my opinion, As a past clan owner you should be fully aware of all of the caveats about fair gameplay.
 

I'm not sure what those screenshots "prove"

But that is a secondary point. I have always followed the rules for years here. I have loved playing on the server, which is why I stayed, even with my plus 200 ping. I have never stacked teams, and never deliberately ignored unbalanced teams. With my arthritis and refusal to use adren I already am at a disadvantage--Iam not exactly a player out to do the most kills, many times I am the worst. I hope maybe some players here who know me on the beginner server would step up and back me up on this. As a former ET clan owner myself years ago (Google Clan), I know how hard it is to keep things honest and even--but I also knew that it was only a matter of good sense to at least try to contact a player, esp if they are on the forums to either coach them or reprimand them, not just demote their level in the dark of night. If someone had done this right away, I might have been able to prove more easily that who you were seeing wasn't me. That's only common courtesy and good clan practice. Some players aren't very active, and you cant find them, but as a donator, former trial member and active player for 4 years, someone who keeps getting asked by other clan members to reapply for trial. I was at least owed that much. I will go find somewhere else to play. I wish everyone here much luck. Iam sorry I have to leave because of such a misunderstanding and server identity issues. I do not blame you, I just wish things had been handled differently, this might have been avoided.
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I see team stacking occurring in the screenshots Annibal provided. Now, if you love playing on the server, that is great. Nobody is asking you to leave, or even do anything differently, simply your level was removed. I have played on Jay3/Beg1 for about 6 years now or so, and I have always had around 200ms ping. This is part of living in either West Coast or Midwest USA. But that latency does not affect your gameplay really, as the server incorporates antilag which interpolates and extrapolates packets from each player to make sure everyone is at a 1:1 ratio.

Now, in my opinion, regardless of whether this contact/reminder occurred or not, there is no privilege for anybody to have levels. FA management can provide and revoke them as they see fit, no explanation needed. They own and run the servers.

Once again, you mention leaving. In my opinion, this is a threat that you will leave (once again) if your levels are not reinstated.

Per our Wiki:

Promotions:
15: We don't tolerate, "I am right, always right" kind of attitude.
16: If you have ego, suck it up. We don't care and we never will.

ah, just found it--I never saw that post, if I had, I would have responded to it then. Ive never had level 4 on jay 3. Im not even sure if Ive even played on that server. If I did, it would have only been because there was an issue with my reg server. I sure wish Id seen that post---whoever you were dealing with then wasn't me. Its all water under the bridge now---but I can say Ive never argued with you or anyone on the server about my behavior, and Ive always tried to be respectful here on the forums as well. Im too damn old to act like a kid anymore, lol.

anyway, thanks for pointing that post out, it would have been a good opportunity to clear my name back then. Sadly I wont get that chance. Hopefully you'll catch the guy that really was doing it. The guid has always shown on my forum screen so I have no way to know what others see, only what I see.

Take care. It's Sad that after this much time I have to leave, but being accused of stacking is the same as being accused of cheating. Now Iam accused of lying about arguing with an admin on the server and ducking out. That's just not me and I'd just as soon start fresh somewhere and hope the same thing doesn't happen to me again. I'll try to log on to the server once more tonight to say goodbye to a few folks there that Ive been playing with a long time--hope that's ok.

In my opinion, I find it very hard to believe that you have been playing on a server for 4 years, have owned a clan, and have been a member (and admin) of our community for 4 years, and you are not familiar with how our servers are named. Having access to our private section for any time would also provide reference if you hadn't had it previously.

Stacking is not the same as cheating. Cheating is exploitation. Stacking is simply unfair. And to be honest, not every game will be fair. These things happen. I have messed up myself, even today, I miscalculated GP and time left on the map. I prevented Allies from winning a map when they were in a position to do so before I joined. I made a mistake.

As for matching GUIDs and actual player identities, Leaders have access to our User DB which can determine who is actually who- even if they are not online. There are plenty of other ways to confirm identity as well which I will not get into here. So in my opinion, there is probably no mistake about who was the offender.

Once again, you talk about leaving (which is kind of a threat, in my opinion) but this time the reasons are different. In any event, I (personally, in my opinion) see an unwillingness to move on and work with leadership. So rather than talk things out, you'd rather run away like a deer in the headlights- which is fine. It's your call. But nobody is making you leave. Nor are they forcing you to change anything. But why run if you did nothing wrong? It doesn't make any sense.

Per our wiki:

Promotions
Number 17: If you can't express or discuss the issue, it's up to you. Don't cry for it. World isn't perfect and neither are we. We carefully check feedback and act accordingly. We can't always implement feedback/suggestions given by you. We will not discuss reasons for it because if we start doing it, we would end up giving explanations to hundreds of user.

So with all this said, I'm really of the opinion that you are hunting for levels, and are hurt because they were taken away. And I'm of the opinion that Management may feel this way as well. This could be a misunderstanding. But right now, the same points are being talked about in circles, and everything seems to start with levels.

Per our Wiki:

Admin guide:
Here all are same. Level 0 to Level 20. Admin levels doesn't make a millionaire. Don't go after it. Just have fun!

So why does having this lvl 4 really matter? I mean honestly. If I left the clan, I wouldn't care if I got crap for levels. I could still play on the server. I could still report trouble makers. I could still balance teams. In fact, everything I do with lvl 16 can be accomplished with lvl 0 if I just use the forums. Levels are bogus man! Seriously!

Anywayyyys. Hopefully this might clear up some misunderstandings. I know it's long winded.
If you decide to keep playing on our servers, that is great. You are more than welcome here.
If you decide to leave, take care. But in the long run, in my opinion, it's really not worth this kind of drama.

Cheers! -Xernicus

[Shogun!]

If I were hunting for levels I wouldn't have voluntarily stepped down from trial member.  You can search the forums for my reason, which had everything to do with my wanting to live up the expectations of a trial member with regard to recruiting.  I asked to be made level 2 at that time, nothing more.  It was when I was later on the server that one of the admins reset me to level 4 (not because I asked (which I didn't) , but I assume it was because they thought I could handle it).  That's not exactly level hunting.  What set me off, was being reset down to level 2, finding out about it only when I went to balance teams and saw I couldn't.  This happened twice.  After the first time I asked the admins that I ran into on the servers if they knew why I had been releveled, no one knew.  Finally Audrey was kind enough to reset me.  Now a week or so later the same thing happened. 

Im being told I argued with admins on the server about stacking and the like.  I repeat again, I have never had a conversation with any admin about this.  I wish I had been contacted either on the server or via pm here, especially since I am being told that this was a constant offense.  DF Fighter practically lives on that server.  If anyone would be likely to observe such abuse from me, it would certainly be him. 

Edited September 15, 2016 by Shogun!

[Ann!b@l]

I can confirm that there was a 2nd shogun exactly same name and colors walter noted it to me and I saw it myself too 

 

august 31 just before 7pm my time this other shogun was there too in jay3 and it was the same day walter noted me about it

Since you're his only argument remaining in this topic.. Did this 2nd Shogun had a level 4 df?

[audrey]

Since you're his only argument remaining in this topic.. Did this 2nd Shogun had a level 4 df?

 

I set to 4 after a confirmation by pm.

 

..other one shouldn't have any level, unless one of the other colleagues set without prior confirmation.

Edited September 15, 2016 by audrey

[DFighter]

Since you're his only argument remaining in this topic.. Did this 2nd Shogun had a level 4 df?

no anni this 2nd showgun was lvl 0 

Walter might miss a few times the teams as the screenshots shows but it surprised me this happened but I dont look always at teams in !list often just tab

the other shogun did gave issues even what I now say is just guessing I wonder if he wasnt the person most of the time messing the teams but again I mostly look on tab and not list so i am not sure in this case

I checked trackbase too back when I took the screenshot ( therefor I knew the time and date ) and I also saw shogun was in 2 servers at the same time while walter only plays here 

I also looked again on trackbase but this cant be seen anymore  but the other shogun also visited dri servers  sorry I forgot to mention this to you before I did took a screenshot just after walter reported it to me and I saw that 2nd shogun too but he left to fast so couldnt get info 

 

 

 

took this screenshot 31 august 6:57 pm 

 

 

[Ann!b@l]

I set to 4 after a confirmation by pm.

 

..other one shouldn't have any level, unless one of the other colleagues set without prior confirmation.

I have not a single doubt about your seriousness Aud! Gonna check all lvl4 guids on server just for my peace of mind. Thanks

 

 

no anni this 2nd showgun was lvl 0 

thanks! I always check with !list.. And each time I noticed Shogun (WalterMitty) joining the stronger team\not moving to balance teams, he had his lvl4.

 

For the rest, I have no difficulty to believe than the 2nd\"fake" Shogun was a trouble maker.

 

 

edit: 5 guids with lvl4 verified and clean.

Edited September 15, 2016 by Ann!b@l

[DFighter]

I have not a single doubt about your seriousness Aud! Gonna check all lvl4 guids on server just for my peace of mind. Thanks

 

 

thanks! I always check with !list.. And each time I noticed Shogun (WalterMitty) joining the stronger team\not moving to balance teams, he had his lvl4.

 

For the rest, I have no difficulty to believe than the 2nd\"fake" Shogun was a trouble maker.

ye he stacked the teams this other guy I was about to take info and act but he disconnected but I  only have the timestamp of the screenshot sorry I couldn't do more I wasnt fast enough

for walter no matter what get decided that's not my concern I only try to inform what I know there was a 2nd showgun I did saw that other shogun stacking walter did noted me and I also saw it myself but I was to slow to take info etc and forgot to mention this im sorry for that I just have the screenshot posted earlyer in the topic

 

as tip simply press tab button every time you die then you constantly see the teams and you can't do much anyway when your dead

I guess if you make a habit from that and fix the teams no matter what the decision is in this topic in time all will be solved

I think once admins see you fix the teams and watch often all will be solved and oviously im sure admins also now check to be sure if its you or the fake person.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Shogun!]

~

I logged on to the server a few minutes ago to say goodbye to some folks--here is a screenshot of what I saw.  This is within the last half hour.  This is with a tagged FA admin there playing.  I logged off and on a few more times afterwards with same result--no balancing.  The admin just probably never realized, so Im not blaming him/her, but clearly this happens sometimes, so IF I was seen in a situation like this it would be better to counsel me first rather than just yank the level with no warning, no comment.  I always tried to balance teams and never joined teams with too many players.   I blurred the admins name because its not about embarrassing anyone--if there is a burning need to know, pm me and I will tell you.  Its possible he tried to get people to move but doesn't know the command to do it, or maybe just didn't check---but it does happen.  I still maintain that I never argued with anni or any other admin about stuff like this.  I also maintain that I never tried to stack a team or leave a team stacked.

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Edited September 15, 2016 by Shogun!

[Shogun!]

and 15 mins later--same admin and mostly same players on the next map--again admin name is blurred because this is not meant to embarass him.  At least he is on the team with least players, but the teams remain stacked nevertheless --I'm not saying we need a kindergarten cop, just some common sense measures so mixups like what happened to me can be avoided in the future--I still believe that who ever was arguing with anni on the server was impersonating me, because I know it wasn't me . 

Edited September 16, 2016 by Shogun!

[Ann!b@l]

The only one you embarrass for now is yourself.. Aside TAB board (which you seem to know how to use when it's for your interest), no stats, no description of the players playing, no background about state of progress of the map, nothing. I can guess who's the member playing behind the blur, and trust me he is skilled enough to say he is equal to at least 2 or 3 average players. As former Trial member you should know that balance of teams isn't a matter only of amount of players.. Yeah, you should..

 

 

Trust me also when I say than most members (even those in trial) know how and use commands when needed.. In your case, do ya? Because, aside !ad from time to time, I never saw you use any other command, otherwise you would have spotted me with my level sitting in spec everyday during almost the whole day.. Ask to df!

 

 

Anyway.. I don't really see what's the objective of these 2 situations that you point out in your 2 last posts Walter (even though anyone can guess all along this thread.. and the more it goes, the more it's obvious). If you want to complain about an admin, fill a form in the appropriate section and join to it some consistent and solid proofs. Your questions were answered, you're more than informed now and for what seems to be a request you got your answer as well.

 

 

 

\locked.