Hax and what to look for

[darkfang77]

You can see that At 1:15 aim goes right to next head, That Is what to look for.

No one Is that good, Never missing a headshot.

 

he only got 1 there and it wasn't exactly as if he fired lots, i see a lot of skill but not really hax since he only 1 vs 1-ed twice and 1:06 was more preshoot than wh.

Edited August 13, 2012 by darkfag77

[SunLight]

No one Is that good

I wouldn't be so sure about that...

 

at 0:21 he is a bit stupid with that grenade imho

 

Anyway the quality of videos can never be compared to a demo when it comes to cheater busting. And having cg_bobpitch etc. not to 0 and a huge xhair is a big no no if you really want to make a video

[Buckwild]

OK...Here's the cheater demo.dm_82. You need Unpatched ET, map aldernest.pk3

 

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?072digaajd2ee1c

[Levi]

wall hack, player sees through everything and determines where you at before you see them, aimbot is an auto--locking script configured on the other players head. you can spec them and see if there walking to see if the players aim auto-zooms on another players head.

[SunLight]

OK...Here's the cheater demo.dm_82. You need Unpatched ET, map aldernest.pk3

 

http://www.mediafire...072digaajd2ee1c

ok checked your demo, so about the topic hax and what NOT to look for, with all respect I think you banned a clean player (at least from what I can see from that particular demo).

My cheatometer didn't tick at all, so to speak

 

First of all, you say:

No one Is that good, Never missing a headshot.

well I checked his statistics in the demo: 197 shots, 81 hits, 16 hs (no, I didn't count them manually )

41.1% acc. 8.1% head accuracy, any low/low+ can get that accuracy in a public server without effort. A really good player would get 50 acc and 10 headacc. He makes 1 hs every 5 hits, so how can you say that he never misses a hs. If he needed an aimbot to play as lowskill he would move much worse than that (for example he wouldn't do the gammajump at the beginning).

 

the twitch at 8:35 is obviously lag (check the blue part in the lagometer, there is a spike at the same moment, in the movie you can't see that)

 

normal stats, normal movement = no aimbot (imho)

 

maybe wh? not even that:

8:20 he checks allied spawn because he prolly knows allies spawntime, then someone shoots from there and obviously he aims at him

7:40 footsteps + luck/guess (he was being chased by a player)

 

if you ban a player like him, if you were an admin of an etpro server you would ban the whole lot and play alone. I don't want to sound overly critical, but since this is a thread about hax and what to look for, I wanted to write a bit about what not to look for. Because the 'everyone is a cheater' attitude of some players comes from this kind of misunderstanding.

[PiNoY]

Well. I'm sure He was cheating,

From the video quality and speed of that video, sorry but am not convinced that he cheated there

[Buckwild]

I did /scores in console before making demo, He had outrageous number of kills.

 

I know 40 percent accuracy is normal, They can adjust those aimbots for accuracy so as not to be obvious.

 

If He wasn't cheating, then Why no unban request? ..All He had to do was get new etkey\GUID.

 

My main reason for ban was too many kills and clanmates screaming cheat in adminchat.

 

Those Guys play everyday and are no slouch!

 

At splatterladder, His name visited no other servers. Why such a good player didn't use name before? or since?

 

He's located in Slovenia. He played 8.9 hours straight(Who does that?). Weren't His fingers tired?

 

I still feel that I banned cheater.

 

 

[EliteWalMartSecurity]

Good call, Buck.

[SunLight]

I did /scores in console before making demo, He had outrageous number of kills.

The point is not about how many kills you get (you can also get kills with camping etc.), the point is if you cheat or not. With your reasoning you should ban a good player playing versus beginners or not-so-good, just because of many kills?

Imho you should ban cheaters, not people who make many kills. I have seen cheaters who were really obvious, and yet they had less kills than some good players without cheats.

 

I know 40 percent accuracy is normal, They can adjust those aimbots for accuracy so as not to be obvious.

With this reasoning, you can say a player with 30 accuracy is a cheater, because there is some (few) total beginners who get 20, and he could be a player who gets 20 without and 30 with.

 

If He wasn't cheating, then Why no unban request? ..All He had to do was get new etkey\GUID.

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At splatterladder, His name visited no other servers. Why such a good player didn't use name before? or since?

He's located in Slovenia. He played 8.9 hours straight(Who does that?). Weren't His fingers tired?

Some players change name because they don't care about playing with the same name, and they don't play for rating (especially etpro players, if you don't do ac_listplayers with tzac, you never know who's who).

I never played 8 hours straight myself, but some people do, and they don't necessarily get carpal tunnel syndrome or a tendonitis As regards the unban request, maybe he didn't care, I can't read his mind, I can only try to read his mouse movements in the demo.

 

If I ban someone I don't need to make speculations like 'he is a newguidder' or 'he never played etpro, he has an old guid and he is not in yawn but he is too good', 'he is a noname but too good', etc. etc.

These are never proofs, just useless speculations that could add to the proof if there is something solid in a demo, but the main proof should be the demo, well, if I see that a player is an ex-cheater then I consider that a rather solid proof, since they generally don't stop.

 

I still feel that I banned cheater.

In your server you have the right to ban who you want, but now I feel happy that the only non-etpro servers where I play are FA servers since they don't ban people for getting many kills, of course I have only watched that demo maybe you had other proofs and you know better.

[PiNoY]

I maybe new to most but still would like to share my opinion, just a descent discussion there is, no flame wars ofc.

I know 40 percent accuracy is normal, They can adjust those aimbots for accuracy so as not to be obvious.

Last night, one of our regular player had 15 lucky kills using knife/gun combo on the entire map, his accuracy is 98%, he threw knife and once hit and groggy, boom he hit the guy with his gun for HS. Tactic changes accuracy, not aiming alone. I was playing knife also on that map and gives me 50%+ accuracy which I seldomly had (not saying I play for accuracy or rating) at times knife gives me 75% accuracy. The thing is, several factors contribute to accuracy, not just aiming alone.

 

I did /scores in console before making demo, He had outrageous number of kills.

Outrageous kills should not lead us all that the player is cheating. Spec-ing the person is a must to have a demo for further reviews, not just conclude immediately that he is cheating. Standard operating procedure must be done as a responsible gaming server admin, to attract more players and have respectful gaming experience as well. Remember that there are players are that real good by experience.

 

If He wasn't cheating, then Why no unban request? ..All He had to do was get new etkey\GUID.

No unban request from a player doesnt prove that he actually cheated. Could be that he is busy, he care less or he cant understand/operate english-based forum website also, lots of reasons to mention.

 

My main reason for ban was too many kills and clanmates screaming cheat in adminchat.

At times from FA server that I usually sit on, a few times that when player A shouted accusing player B of cheating bla bla, there's a chance that person A had just turned on his cheat. Possibly.

 

He's located in Slovenia. He played 8.9 hours straight(Who does that?). Weren't His fingers tired?

We have about 8760 hours per year, check out this game tracker link , there's a guy that had spent 2100+ hours already in one year alone being connected to one FA server Some guys do play more than 10 hours a day or more than 50 hours per week.

 

I still feel that I banned cheater.

Since its your server, all rights and are yours, you could be fair at your own POV but unfar to other POV. With FA, demos are carefully reviewed before ban is issued unless demo got definitive proof to issue ban immediately. All other unban requests are also taken seriously and considered for a re-review of the demo as part of standard operating procedure (SOP)

[NervousOne]

Hey Buck. Think you have the right to make whatever call you want on this guy, but personally I can name(without really trying) about 10 guys that play on FA servers that make this guy look like a chump. The only thing to me that might lend "iffy-ness" to him is the settings. He's got wacky stuff going on with the runbob and stuff with the splatter or flash. Didn't see him prefire that much either, which probably loses me about 2% accuracy per round.

 

As far as the headshot goes, he's not even close to being worrisome to me. At one point I watched him hit a guy four or five times and only the last shot was a hs. If that is a pattern that repeated, sure it could be a bot.

Obviously, one can dumb down a bot quite a bit to make it look realistic but I don't see him snapping enough to indicate anything. Many people use external drivers for their mouse sensitivity and greatly reduce the Y axis sensitivity so their mouse stays at a level without significant movement of the mouse up or down. I see that all the time. Personally, I hated it. Lasted about 5 minutes or so on my Logitech. Went back to in-game sensitivity.

 

Like you said, he could've been doing much better for round after round and this round is where you finally got fed up. That I would totally understand. That coupled with the fact that most bots are toggled so they can turn them on and off during gameplay could explain why he was doing fantastic for many rounds and then just plays well for this round, but not so well as to scream aimbot or wallhack.

 

Personally, I don't think he/she is hacking. I'm no expert, though. Last time I was an admin was many moons ago. Plus the video was really dark for me.

 

Good luck on the server!

J

 

 

 

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[skrilla420]

I have to put a note here botting is very noticable , but what about wallinghacking skilled wallers can purely play like they don't use one. If you see players tracking heads through walls or suspecting they hack , since punkbuster is no longer available for ET servers which is very sad cause in the past it has helped alot. I hear there is a new program to use on ET pro servers from a few F|A members have told me hopefully if there is any suspected players you have fraps or demotoggle because it would be a waste to see them on here since F|A has a good reputation from what i hear.

[SunLight]

He's got wacky stuff going on with the runbob and stuff with the splatter or flash.

I'm not sure if I misunderstood here, but the settings are the settings of who made the video, not the player's ones, in fact the demo was without bob because I don't have it in my own config

 

I have to put a note here botting is very noticable

Botting can be quite hard to detect as well

 

Anyway,

the only reason I answered about Buckwild's post, is not to play the smartass or because I have anything against him, it's just because I think if the thread is about how to spot cheaters (and honestly I don't like much this kind of threads, because they can easily turn into a tutorial for cheaters on how to hide it) then you should put a demo of someone who is a cheater for sure.

 

Llike somebody who was actually banned by pb or tzac, or someone who is a bit more obvious (and for obvious I don't mean snapping from head to head). Putting a demo of a someone who is (in my opinion) probably clean could mislead the player who asked for help.

 

 

I generally don't keep demos of cheaters, and for obvious reasons I can't post demos recorded on FA servers because this wouldn't be the correct section in the forums, when I don't play in FA servers I rarely record people, at most I record from my point of view and I wolfcam them later if I am really really curious, so I don't have a demo to show. I might still have some oldie but goldie in my hd, like Allu cheating on ETTV in the nations cup, but nothing recent.

[YoMomma]

I agree that a thread like this could help to learn how to cheat but it will also teach us noobs to catch those same cheaters and yes we do need some good demos with updated ET ver. with details on what to watch for using different cheats that would help a lot thanx for the posts all

[SunLight]

I agree that a thread like this could help to learn how to cheat but it will also teach us noobs to catch those same cheaters and yes we do need some good demos with updated ET ver. with details on what to watch for using different cheats that would help a lot thanx for the posts all

Well the first thing you can do if you see a potential cheater is telling an admin, possibly not in main chat.

 

And remember that in most cases you need to record. There are many kinds of cheaters:

-ultraobvious: you can tell from their stats alone, or by playing against them without even speccing

-very obvious: you need to spec them in game

-obvious: you need to make a demo to catch them, but one demo is enough and you don't need to review it

-hard to spot: you need many demos, and you need to review them many times in slow motion, etc. etc.

 

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As regards updated or not, cheats are more or less the same, I mean, a wh is a wh, it's not much different now than it used to be 5 years ago.

 

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And in general I think that someone who has never speeced/played with a very very good player would think he/she is a cheater. I would say, about skills in enemy territory (this is a bit for fun ):

you are low, if somebody called you cheater at least once in jaymod servers, but never on etpro servers

you are med, if in jaymod many think you could be a cheater, and maybe they even start to kick you in some servers with 'nub admins', while on etpro someone starts saying 'sure' or similar things every now and then

you are high, if etpro players could suspect you if they don't know who you are, and maybe they still suspect unless you are lanproofed.

 

so joking aside, I want to emphasize again the need to have some basic skills, or spec good (trusted! i mean lanproofed or similar) players when you don't have skills (like in my case ), because otherwise how can you tell the difference between skill and aimbot, or gamesense and wallhack