Admin Guidelines for Map Rushing

[CLAYMORE]

I reveiewed the Admin wiki for player conduct and found no rules/guidlines for what an Admin is to do regarding what is considered rushing. I play alot and have sent in money to this gaming service. I see the standard of play on a daily basis. I don't appreciate an Admin showing up with a fraction of the play time of my own and immediately exercising his admin status without any PM or other shoutcaster warning. This may be because he has no guidlines as to what constitutes rushing a map and is simply using his own subjective judgement as to what constitutes a map rush. A recent kick has prompted me to cook this post. Thank you for any update provided to Admin Guidlines regarding rushing you may provide.

[ecLipse~]

I reveiewed the Admin wiki for player conduct and found no rules/guidlines for what an Admin is to do regarding what is considered rushing. I play alot and have sent in money to this gaming service. I see the standard of play on a daily basis. I don't appreciate an Admin showing up with a fraction of the play time of my own and immediately exercising his admin status without any PM or other shoutcaster warning. This may be because he has no guidlines as to what constitutes rushing a map and is simply using his own subjective judgement as to what constitutes a map rush. A recent kick has prompted me to cook this post. Thank you for any update provided to Admin Guidlines regarding rushing you may provide.

 

Claymore you have been playing on jay2 way too long to act like you don't know the rushing rule. We have established this rule way too many times in the past.

 

Let the map run for at least 5 mins then you can finish it. Let me remind you how you were finishing the objective and you were warned. and FYI You were not kicked.

 

 

 

Beginning of map.

 

 

 

Here it says allies have constructed the controls

 

 

 

 

This is you holding the objective

 

 

This is me warning you.

 

 

 

You got the objective inside the truck and there it is, the !putteam, not a !kick.

 

 

Only a minute has passed and you were finishing the objective. I have counted down the map time when the demo started running (Which is on warmup) and its exactly a minute and 5

 

 

 

Just because axis were bashing allies last map and you got butthurt because you couldn't get the objective. doesn't mean you can rush the next map for your own satisfaction. People want to enjoy maps.

[Levi]

What if it's team rush? Like everybody playing is rushing to get to a certain map?

[Maximo Decimo]

General rule: Map rushing is allowed after 5 mins but please let players enjoy the map.

 

Exception rule: Rush is allowed in our Hardcore server. You can beat it as fast as posible if you like.

 

There is a command in Silent server which clearly can see that rule: !rush

I dont know if it is other servers. If not, would be great add it to avoid further problems.

[ecLipse~]

What if it's team rush? Like everybody playing is rushing to get to a certain map?

I don't see that possible on jaymod, people dont even revive when you tell them to. what makes you think that will happen? its jaymod not a scrim

[Artanis]

Hey Claymore, Good to see you here on forums dude. I don't know hot to respond to this post as i have seen you on Jay2 for such a long time that i believe you have seen this addressed on the server countless times. The rule for rushing has been allow 5 minutes of play before ending. That's it. Just 5 minutes. I enjoy your presence on the server and would only ask to allow everyone to enjoy the game. Perhaps it would be good if the Wiki includes this rule but not being in the wiki does not mean this particular case was not dealt with correctly.

 

See you InGame and like I say let's play and have some fun!

[Levi]

I don't see that possible on jaymod, people dont even revive when you tell them to. what makes you think that will happen? its jaymod not a scrim

 

I usually play with the same group of guys everynight on jay4, and we rush to get to base race.

[ecLipse~]

I usually play with the same group of guys everynight on jay4, and we rush to get to base race.

Cool story. Just don't rush and break the rules

[CLAYMORE]

There's some confusion here, partially my own. First, I didn't know it was McCloud who moved me to spec (yes it was a move to spec and not a kick so my bad for calling it a kick) and I thought I read in command lines the name of another Admin (i'll leave his name out) as the Admin who moved me (had never seen him on Jay2 before and haven't played with him). I've greater respect for McCloud's judgement in this regard as I've played in his company before. However, the map was SpecialDelivery with 2 objectives to deliver to trucks. I had objective #1 and delivery did not finish the map. BUT, was moved me to spec as if to say there is a set amout of time that was to pass before Objective #1 was to be delivered to the truck. I've NEVER seen this established or practiced and am just asking for fair play and consistancy in Admin practice so none of us feel singled out for an arbitrary reason. I don't see anybody being moved to spec on Warbell (the most rushed map on FA) and if i did I'd follow Admin guidelines for fairplay.

 

Let's not have double-standards on this server where people justify rules on one hand then say it's just a game on the other to qualify a disregard in the Admin Guidelines when they so choose. Just afford me (a so-so player at best) the same fair play that I see others granted. I would have responded to a PM. What's wrong with a PM if you're in the mood to drop the hammer? Love PM's. Send me a PM sometime. But know this, I'm not one to try and finish maps early but I will help advance a map as much as I believe guidelines allow. Don't think any of us can assume to know how fast or slow admins want a map to progress. I hope this is promoting fairplay and the proper use of conduct in gameplay and in warning flags.

[Artanis]

Thanks for the clarification. There are some maps like Special Delivery and Siwa Oasis that have 2 objectives to finish the map. On Siwa there are times when one gun is destroyed within a minute or two and it is not an issue unless the second gun is destroyed before the 5 minutes is up. So in this case it is not a rush and having played with you i know you are not one to rush maps.

 

Just one thing about admins you aren't familiar with. We have many admins playing on many servers. Some are new to the community and need the benefit of the doubt. (I myself am a slow learner and if it wasn't for certain admins and even some regulars i would still be banging my head on a corner somewhere ). Pm's work both ways..

[Masa_1964]

It's rush if you use trick jump to object, even first obj - > Trickjumping to rush the maps is not allowed. Let the players enjoy the map. We reset XP for map rushers. (from wiki)

 

I know this trick jumps was not an issue here but people are talking like there is allowed to do part object in any ways possible.

 

Heading object is surely main game play but people should see more there, this is game and should be fun not just show off.

 

Masa_1964

[Olykiller]

It's rush if you use trick jump to object, even first obj - > Trickjumping to rush the maps is not allowed. Let the players enjoy the map. We reset XP for map rushers. (from wiki)

lol i always thought trickjump and trickplant are allowed, you can see it almost daily on oasis FA2

[yellow flash]

lol i always thought trickjump and trickplant are allowed, you can see it almost daily on oasis FA2

 

Trickjump and trickplant are diff trickplants are allowed. Trickjumps are allowed expection is not allowed for rushing purposes. Or for example you cant trickjump over fueldump wall if the fueldumps gate isnot blowed, but after it is you can jump over the wall for obj, coz its not for rush anymore.

 

And if you mean trickplant in oasis planting dyno behind the antitank gun its allowed. but not for rushing once again

Edited August 7, 2012 by Yellow Flash

[D..X]

im curious as to why you would continue to cap the objective after you were warned by an admin at that point i would have stopped and explained to the admin what you were doing and that it was a 2 objective map your mistake was carrying on with the object and capping it after the warning

[Olykiller]

Trickjump and trickplant are diff trickplants are allowed. Trickjumps are allowed expection is not allowed for rushing purposes. Or for example you cant trickjump over fueldump wall if the fueldumps gate isnot blowed, but after it is you can jump over the wall for obj, coz its not for rush anymore.

 

so theoretically you can jump over wall at oasis just to blow one gun