Obamacare is upheld, mostly

[parrot]

Opinion here: http://www.supremeco.../11-393c3a2.pdf

 

Analysis: http://www.washingto...ry.html?hpid=z1

 

 

Thank God \

 

In short: Everything is upheld, except that if states refuse to comply with the expansion of Medicaid/Medicare, the federal government cannot withhold ALL medicaid/medicare funds, just the new funds that would have been allocated. This means that idiot a**hole conservative states like Texas may yet refuse to expand medicaid/medicare.

Edited June 28, 2012 by parrot

[jim]

me and my wife have medicare do not no what we well do if we have to pay for insurance we do not make that much to pay for it.

[docwarren]

Nobody gives a flying f@&k about the constitution anymore. If they can force health care on you, what else are they going to be able to force on you?

 

I understand suporter's reasoning on this issue, but obamacare is not the answer.

 

We'll see what happens next, but long term...... this will not work.

 

[CSL]

Obamacare will bankrupt the country. You cant all of the sudden force a scocialistic system into a capitalist markets. There is no way the doctors will take paycuts to recieve a salary comensurate with other scocialistic healthcare system, basically ensuring that obamacare will go broke paying doctors.

[Krayzie]

Will be just wonderful. I work atan Arizona hospital. We really off the old people that make up 75% of our patients who have medicare or medicaid. Arizona wants to rid of both. Its summer. We are already cutting hours as it is. Hell now we will probably be just laying people off. Last year we already had to lay 38 people off because of medicare and medicade fundings.

 

 

Forcing us to have insurance? I make 1700 a month. My bills are about 1700 a month. Girlfriends unemployed. And my daughter is 7 months old. How tje hell can I afford insurance for them? My work mandates thay we have insurance otherwise I would of opted out to save the 75 bucks a month because I can't afford it as is.

[parrot]

@krazie ACA provides people like you with a subsidy to pay for it. Depending your income, you may even qualify for free healthcare(medicaid). Need to make less than 133% of federal poverty level.

 

@CSL Who said anything about paycuts? The increased pool of people having insurance will pay for the increased costs of covering everyone.

 

@Jim Nothing will change for you sir. You will keep what you have now.

 

@docwarren Everyone, EVERYONE, will need healthcare at some point. Right now, many of em go to the ER and don't pay, or let chronic illness go untreated, which leads to huge costs later that, you guessed it, the taxpayer is forced to pay for. Ensuring quality preventive care means costs will go down.

 

Bottom line, I don't want to live in a society where well off people get healthcare, and poor people suffer and die because they don't have money. Do you?

 

And no, not everyone can get a high paying job. Some aren't capable of it. Being less than smart enough for college shouldn't be a ticket to an early death.

 

 

My $.02

Edited June 28, 2012 by parrot

[Krayzie]

@krazie ACA provides people like you with a subsidy to pay for it. Depending your income, you may even qualify for free healthcare(medicaid). Need to make less than 133% of federal poverty level.

 

@CSL Who said anything about paycuts? The increased pool of people having insurance will pay for the increased costs of covering everyone.

 

 

But what does that do for the people in Arizona. Not being forced to expand medicare/medicaid? These crazy politicians in Arizona are trying to force OUT Medicare/Medicade. They already cut a ton of funding for it, which we noticed this past year. We saw hardly the amount of patients we did last year that we did this year with Medicare/Medicade. As it stands right now we are cutting 8 hours a week. Which for me results in $500 dollars a month lost. Whats going to happen when Arizona drops both health plans? Like I said, last year we laid off 38 people at one facility, our sister hospital laid of 54.

[docwarren]

The advances we have today in medicine only happen because of the current free enterprise society. You WILL see quality of care go down as a direct result of this.

 

Yes the system needs revamped..... but not through this pipe dream.

[Levi]

Obamacare will bankrupt the country. You cant all of the sudden force a scocialistic system into a capitalist markets. There is no way the doctors will take paycuts to recieve a salary comensurate with other scocialistic healthcare system, basically ensuring that obamacare will go broke paying doctors.

 

It's already bankrupt, the American dollar will lose its value within th next 50 years.

[Bosman]

Here comes euthanasia, when you can't pay they pull the plug...Obama is trying to do something quick before he gets canned.

[parrot]

@krazie Well I would think that with more people having insurance(private), more people would feel free to use health care when they need it. If states like Arizona and Texas refuse to expand medicaid/care, they are shooting themselves in the foot. Personally, I believe there is no way Texas will accept the medicaid/care provisions, not after our lawyer extraordinaire Abbot and "good hair" Perry helped lead the charge against it. As for layoffs, http://www.americannursetoday.com/article.aspx?id=4932&fid=4922. I've always understood healthcare to be a very high demand occupation.

 

@docwarren

The Wolf and Nobel Prizes and the Lasker Award – medical research’s three most esteemed prizes – suggest the US produces easily the most medical discoveries, with 29 prizes since 2000. The picture changes once size of population and talent pool is considered. Israel, with five prizes this century, produces one winner for every 1.6 million inhabitants. Next comes the UK, with one winner per 4.4million. The US, needing 10.8 million inhabitants to produce a prize winner, is a distant fifth behind Canada and Australia.
Colin Blakemore, the professor of neuroscience at Oxford University, says: “Israel spends phenomenally on scientific research. There is a prestige element, a Jewish intellectual cultural tradition, and a small country having to live on its wits.” But, he insists: “In terms of research output per dollar invested, Britain is best in the world – by far.”
UK researchers were the most ingenious with limited resources. Oxford topped the 2011-2012 Times Higher Education rankings for clinical, preclinical and health subjects. The Medical Research Council Laboratory of Molecular Biology in Cambridge, meanwhile, is “the jewel in the crown”, according to Prof Blakemore. “In the biomedical sciences, an amazing sequence of UK Nobel Prizes come from that one laboratory: nine, shared among 13 scientists.” Analysing how often researchers’ work was cited by academics, a 2011 report concluded: “The UK is the clear leader among all eight comparators (Canada, China, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, UK, US) on citations per unit spend.”

From the Telegraph in the UK.

 

Israel, it should be pointed out, has universal, compulsive, health care. So do the UK, Canada, Australia and Germany.

 

@Light Economic indicators say otherwise. 30 year t-bonds are at 2.7 percent or so.....sound like anyone is worried about the dollar?

 

@Bosman Really? You still on the whole Palin invention called "death panels"? I don't quite know what to say to that. How about you start here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/sarah-palin-death-panels-and-obamacare/2012/06/27/gJQAysUP7V_blog.html

[Levi]

@krazie Well I would think that with more people having insurance(private), more people would feel free to use health care when they need it. If states like Arizona and Texas refuse to expand medicaid/care, they are shooting themselves in the foot. Personally, I believe there is no way Texas will accept the medicaid/care provisions, not after our lawyer extraordinaire Abbot and "good hair" Perry helped lead the charge against it. As for layoffs, http://www.americann...d=4932&fid=4922. I've always understood healthcare to be a very high demand occupation.

 

@docwarren

The Wolf and Nobel Prizes and the Lasker Award – medical research’s three most esteemed prizes – suggest the US produces easily the most medical discoveries, with 29 prizes since 2000. The picture changes once size of population and talent pool is considered. Israel, with five prizes this century, produces one winner for every 1.6 million inhabitants. Next comes the UK, with one winner per 4.4million. The US, needing 10.8 million inhabitants to produce a prize winner, is a distant fifth behind Canada and Australia.
Colin Blakemore, the professor of neuroscience at Oxford University, says: “Israel spends phenomenally on scientific research. There is a prestige element, a Jewish intellectual cultural tradition, and a small country having to live on its wits.” But, he insists: “In terms of research output per dollar invested, Britain is best in the world – by far.”
UK researchers were the most ingenious with limited resources. Oxford topped the 2011-2012 Times Higher Education rankings for clinical, preclinical and health subjects. The Medical Research Council Laboratory of Molecular Biology in Cambridge, meanwhile, is “the jewel in the crown”, according to Prof Blakemore. “In the biomedical sciences, an amazing sequence of UK Nobel Prizes come from that one laboratory: nine, shared among 13 scientists.” Analysing how often researchers’ work was cited by academics, a 2011 report concluded: “The UK is the clear leader among all eight comparators (Canada, China, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, UK, US) on citations per unit spend.”

From the Telegraph in the UK.

 

Israel, it should be pointed out, has universal, compulsive, health care. So do the UK, Canada, Australia and Germany.

 

@Light Economic indicators say otherwise. 30 year t-bonds are at 2.7 percent or so.....sound like anyone is worried about the dollar?

 

@Bosman Really? You still on the whole Palin invention called "death panels"? I don't quite know what to say to that. How about you start here: http://www.washingto...sUP7V_blog.html

 

I believe all the increases in other minerals, and other items while the dollar loses its value means something.

[Krayzie]

And how is this supposed to help anybody out?

"Not obtaining insurance in 2014 will cost a person $95 or 1% of his or her income, whichever is higher. In 2015, it's $325, or 2% of income. For families, the penalty will be $285 per household or 1% of income, whichever is greater. By 2016, it goes up to $2,085 per family or 2.5% of income. Penalties will rise each year."

 

I see the rich (insurance companies) getting richer, and the middle class, and poor getting poorer. Take 2 grand from me. That's almost three months rent. Oh look, now the homeless population increases because of this. So lets mandate all have insurance, with the potential to make more people homeless, and cot more people money, who don't have money to spend. They aren't going to force medicare/medicaid to be expanded, yet they are going to add more people to it if they can't afford it.

 

"Federal health spending is projected to grow from 5.6% of gross domestic product in 2011 to about 9.4% by 2035, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation."

This equals more money that doesn't need to be spent, spent, whether it be the federal government paying it, or us. Its pointless. I have health insurance. I don't use it. Can't even afford my copay as it is. I'm basically paying my company $100 bucks a month, but now even if my company allowed me to, I can't go without insurance otherwise I will be "fined" because I chose not to have it.

 

Trying to force socialism into a capitalist economy. Bound to fail. I expect both the unemployment rate, and the homeless rate to go up. Unemployment because all the healthcare, and people like that who will have to quit jobs because of not having the funding necessary, and the homeless to go up because we have to pay this mandatory insurance, or its taxes, resulting in bills not being paid, going into debt, and eventually losing your house.

[docwarren]

I've always understood healthcare to be a very high demand occupation.

 

 

I drive 64 miles round trip. If I quit my job, I would have a hard time getting hired anywhere.

 

Last spring, only about 40% of new grad nurses were able to secure employment here in Texas.

[parrot]

@docwarren hmmm. I know a coupla nurses in Boerne, one of whom just graduated in the spring. She had her pick, but maybe that was an isolated incident.

 

@krazie Again, as I pointed out: If 1700 a month is your gross pay, with 3 people in your family, you would qualify for medicaid. (That's 100 percent free health care) If your state refused to accept the expansion, you would then be in a donut hole, without medicaid or any subsidy to buy different insurance. However, even if you were subject to a penalty, it'd be 2.5 percent of your income (625 dollars) which is cheaper than your insurance (1200) that you don't use anyway.

 

Now, if that 1700 a month was net, and your gross exceeds 25389 per year, then I have good news. You make enough to qualify for the new healthcare subsidy. You can keep your current insurance, or pick out a new one, and your premium will be capped at 4 percent, or 85 dollars per month. Your total out of pocket would be limited to 1800 per year.

 

As for the rest, again I will say that we cannot put off the inevitable. People get sick. It's a fact of life. Ensuring they can go to the doctor when they need to will save us all money. This law does not force people to go to the doctor when they don't need it. There is no extra money being spent (ignoring administrative costs, but not enough people wanted single-payer)

 

Also that word, socialism, "I do not think it means what you think it means" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/12/opinion/12sun1.html?pagewanted=all

http://www.who.int/whr/2000/media_centre/press_release/en/

 

This piece addresses your concerns much more eloquently than I can: http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/06/29/2198794/at-long-last-the-us-gets-health.html