Animal Testing Sucks

[Butterz]

Does anyone by any chance have a spare Gatling gun lying around that they aren't using? I need to do some hunting

 

Rofl, Miniguns are legal, and so are flamers! Win!

[NoGooD]

Interesting topic you got going here Phan.

 

I have my own opinions on the subject, which I generally try to keep to myself. However I can say that at some point, a large majority of people on this forum will need some time of medical treatment or procedure which was based on animal testing first and then later on a human test group. Without this type of testing, many drugs and procedures that are available today wouldn't have seen the light of day.

 

Heres a decent argument to support what

 

http://wildcat.arizona.edu/2.2255/animal-testing-necessary-in-medical-research-1.169288

A 1984 study of Vitek implants in dogs found that the implants disintegrated in the canine test subjects and lead to jaw erosion akin to that seen in human patients. If the FDA had required Vitek to perform this animal study before marketing its product, the shoddy implants would never have reached patients. Instead, tens of thousands of people received Vitek's hazardous product, unaware of its critical design flaws.

 

This turned out to be a pretty large cluster-f*** for Vitek, and caused them to be sued out of existance.

http://www.nytimes.com/1992/06/05/us/fda-issues-warning-on-jaw-implants-that-may-disintegrate-in-the-body.html

 

 

Granted doing tested along the lines of "Does hydrochloric acid burn your eyes and how long do the resulting wounds take to heal" isn't really beneficial to anyone, human or animal.

 

 

As for hunting....if I was hungry...then someone or something is getting shot or stabbed. As long as there is meat at the supermarket...the deer are safe.

[RainierWolfcastle]

Animal testing can suck. But as it may not be aware to many, animal testing is allocated to higher tier level of experimentation that no longer encompasses alot of the broader style animal testing of the late 40s through 70s. Biotissue plates and tissue testing has eliminated the need for general animal testing. The genetic model of animals and humans have helped eliminate the need for a variety of animal testing especially with the use of tissue cultures in their substitution. So compared to decades ago, animals are not used as extensively as before.

 

Animals such as monkeys, dogs, cats, rabbits, rats and mice are still used in certain cases, however the use of a "nude" mouse (Which is a genetically engineered mouse with no immune system) has virtually eliminated the mass use of these animals in experimental medicines compared to the past. Most animals that are used are tested strictly so that side effects and tissue samples can be analyzed before testing is done on human volunteer trials.

 

Animals are still used because they are a great model to show side effects in medical trials metabolically. Many might forget the benefits and cures developed from animal testing for disease studies and for such medicines like Aspirin, Asthma medicine, Insulin treatment, Malaria treatment, HIV antigen, Cancer drugs, and in general vaccines which helped to save lives and to raise life expectancy and living comfort.

[fred]

ok either its animal testing or human testing take ur pick....

 

peta is f***ing bullshit. im sorry but it is. and i will remember this every time i eat my steaks and hamburgers (which is very often .)

peta is for people that feel and do not think logically. yes people are different than animals but animal testing is needed because it still helps out.

another thing about peta... they always complain that animals die cruelly. the reason they die that way is because it is more cost effecient. so if you kill them humanly it would cost more money. so imo on this topic kill the animals the cheapest way possible. that way less HUMANS starve because food is less efficient.

 

 

oh and btw this is my dad and my peta. est 2008

 

P-people who

E-eat

T-tasty

A-animals

 

anyone wanna join lol

 

oh and btw god gave us animals to eat. so anyone that wants to yell at me can kiss my ass

 

finally these peta dipshits are worse than the people doing animal testing. peta extremists feed their newborns soy milk. this will kill the kid. so they are retarted for yelling at us for killing animals which is completely natural. just think does a shark ever think about how to humanely kill the thing its trying to eat?

Edited July 25, 2010 by fred

[Funksdead]

ok either its animal testing or human testing take ur pick....

 

peta is f***ing bullshit. im sorry but it is. and i will remember this every time i eat my steaks and hamburgers (which is very often .)

peta is for people that feel and do not think logically. yes people are different than animals but animal testing is needed because it still helps out.

another thing about peta... they always complain that animals die cruelly. the reason they die that way is because it is more cost effecient. so if you kill them humanly it would cost more money. so imo on this topic kill the animals the cheapest way possible. that way less HUMANS starve because food is less efficient.

 

 

oh and btw this is my dad and my peta. est 2008

 

P-people who

E-eat

T-tasty

A-animals

 

anyone wanna join lol

 

oh and btw god gave us animals to eat. so anyone that wants to yell at me can kiss my ass

 

finally these peta dipshits are worse than the people doing animal testing. peta extremists feed their newborns soy milk. this will kill the kid. so they are retarted for yelling at us for killing animals which is completely natural. just think does a shark ever think about how to humanely kill the thing its trying to eat?

There will come a time when you grow up and you will know the difference between animal cruelty and the ability to kill a animal to sustain your own needs. Human beings are the worst life form on the planet, in case you didnt realize it. If you need proof pick up a newspaper or read cnn or fox news online. Then maybe you will see that animals are not so bad and should not be subjected to some forms of torture. I was trained to hunt humans and to be perfectly honest, with the pieces of garbage I see everyday in what I do for a living, would kill them long before any other animal. We are all animals and there may come a time when we can coexist not only with ourselves but with other species in a more civil manner.

[Butterz]

ok either its animal testing or human testing take ur pick....

 

peta is f***ing bullshit. im sorry but it is. and i will remember this every time i eat my steaks and hamburgers (which is very often .)

peta is for people that feel and do not think logically. yes people are different than animals but animal testing is needed because it still helps out.

another thing about peta... they always complain that animals die cruelly. the reason they die that way is because it is more cost effecient. so if you kill them humanly it would cost more money. so imo on this topic kill the animals the cheapest way possible. that way less HUMANS starve because food is less efficient.

 

 

oh and btw this is my dad and my peta. est 2008

 

P-people who

E-eat

T-tasty

A-animals

 

anyone wanna join lol

 

oh and btw god gave us animals to eat. so anyone that wants to yell at me can kiss my ass

 

finally these peta dipshits are worse than the people doing animal testing. peta extremists feed their newborns soy milk. this will kill the kid. so they are retarted for yelling at us for killing animals which is completely natural. just think does a shark ever think about how to humanely kill the thing its trying to eat?

 

I wouldn't say that I am as "extreme" as you, but yes, I would have to agree with you on the point of these organisations being pure faggotry. I mean, like Greenpeace, in Australia, is going out and harrassing the Japanese whaling fleet. Yeah sure, I don't really care about that, but then they do something unlawful, like boarding a Japanese ship, grafitting it, throwing rotten eggs at it, etc. and I think, what sort of shitheads would do this? And they still expect everybody to be on their side. Also, they are lobbying the Australian government to sue the Japanese government over whaling, which is threatening to ruin trade relations with Japan. In my mind, these dipshits should be called terrorists as well, and locked up, killed, whatever.

[Avaa]

I couldn't watch the whole video... that is not acceptable, cruelty is everywhere even when it's for "science" science my ass, they kill animals wtf is that?

[RainierWolfcastle]

I wouldn't say that I am as "extreme" as you, but yes, I would have to agree with you on the point of these organisations being pure faggotry. I mean, like Greenpeace, in Australia, is going out and harrassing the Japanese whaling fleet. Yeah sure, I don't really care about that, but then they do something unlawful, like boarding a Japanese ship, grafitting it, throwing rotten eggs at it, etc. and I think, what sort of shitheads would do this? And they still expect everybody to be on their side. Also, they are lobbying the Australian government to sue the Japanese government over whaling, which is threatening to ruin trade relations with Japan. In my mind, these dipshits should be called terrorists as well, and locked up, killed, whatever.

 

They are called eco terrorists , and there are US laws specifically about them. It's curious how the subject of whaling only targets Japan, but not the greater asian whaling movement, nor the Nordic/Icelandic whaling. On the subject of whales, it's easy to target a culture that has eaten whales historically for sustenance, but on another note, imposing our western ideals that animals deemed as pets or that intelligent animals should not be food exaggerates our own ignorance and self image that we can deem what's appropriate consciously to eat and not. Think of all those cows around the world that are worshiped as holy creatures in other religions, and how their worshippers must view cow eaters. If they were not so tolerant to other cultures, I think we'd hear 1 billion Hindus saying otherwise to the Western World about our eating practices.

[fred]

Think of all those cows around the world that are worshiped as holy creatures in other religions, and how their worshippers must view cow eaters. If they were not so tolerant to other cultures, I think we'd hear 1 billion Hindus saying otherwise to the Western World about our eating practices.

 

lol they must not have eaten a good steak... otherwise they would be worshiping cows because of how good they taste

[CSL]

While I agree there is absolutely no reason to torture any living being I do say that animals were put on this planet for us to eat its called the food chain my friends. Woulds you protest a frog that eats a fly or a cat that eats a mouse?

 

As far as using animals for medical testing I feel it is a reality we need to live with> Yes we humans created alot of the problems on this planet what should we do all commit suicide? If we can cure cancer by hooking a monkey up to a car battery all I can say is red is positive and black is negative.

 

As for you Funk I wish you had the license to permanently silence some of the skells you have to deal with it would save the tax payers a whole lot of money. Too bad most states have moved away from capital punishment.

[Wifestein]

Don't watch this if you don't like blood xD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cH8J9ry7cSo

 

WHY KILL THEM????!!!! They hurt them ALOT

 

I only watched the first minute, can't watch more of it=/

 

All those people that do that deserve to die, would they like it if I did that to them? Don't think so.

[RainierWolfcastle]

It looks like they got a good harvest catch from the ocean. They will be well fed for the winter and have extra blubber for making more candles.

[*Evil*Stevedawg]

There have been what i would call a few informed replies in the last few posts which somewhat relieve me. DO NOT confuse animal testing with the BS propaganda PETA puts out there. I am going to guess animal testing is the only reason a majority of you people are even sitting behind your keyboards right now stating your opinions. If you even doubt the need/effectiveness of real animal testing than your have been in-informed of the true need for it. And i would guess it would start with groups who build their who base around confusing and terrifying people of a subject while they hide behind the lies they spew. Just because PETA labels it animal testing in a video and puts it out there doesnt mean it is animal testing. Its what they want to ill-inform the public with.

 

 

Knowledge is power. Not some BS one sided clipped and snipped video with no sort of background, citation, or even factual truth used. Just a bunch of videos of stuff suffering and the reality of it is most of them were probably not used for animal testing does not prove anything. The world of snip and clip video editing is powerful people. Learn the truth, learn the facts, dont take what a radical organization like PETA puts out there.

 

 

To try to start you out on the right track here is some facts.

 

Diseases/Conditions Animal testing has helped cure

diphtheria

cholera

polio

small pox (the animal in question was a 8 year old boy)

rabies

syphilus

Diabetes

Asthm

Blue Baby

HIV

Majority of cancer treatments.

 

 

Look at the list people. These are just a few things, a few, that have come from animal testing. You realize diptheria, cholera, polio, small pox, these things ravaged societies. Killed millions and millions and millions, but now if you live in a halfway developed country you dont even think about them.

 

 

I will say i did agree with one thing. Mice and monkey are not human. But since testing on humans is wrong, we have to choose a close model. They are not perfect, but they are fairly effective and portraying how a drug might act/influence a human body.

 

 

Not trying to change your opinion on if you think its right or wrong, but i am asking you to do your OWN research into something and not take a biased, agenda based, organizations video clip on it and make your opinion from it.

Edited July 25, 2010 by *Evil*Stevedawg

[Butterz]

Found this on Greenpeace website:

 

Nuclear power is still as radioactive, dangerous and expensive as ever. And it is no solution to climate change.

 

The ironic thing is, Australia has the most to benefit from nuclear, because we house about a quarter of the world's uranium, but these scare-mongering shitheads are trying to scare everybody.

[JoeDirt]

Peta itself kills thousand of animals per year, even their senior vice president uses insulin which has been tested on animals.