What are your thoughts on the state of the Affordable Care Act?

[RuHaxin]

Yeah minimum wage here is like $7.25 atm and gasoline is $3.20 cents a gallon. I actually have a friend that lives in Australia he was telling me that he was making $700.00 to $800.00 dollars a day fixing mining equipment. But an average house there is almost 2 times what ours are. So either way in order to have health care for everyone it costs all of us some way or another. The problem here is that 9-12% of people arent working so it causes an imbalance in the system. People are collecting but not putting in. another 20 % are on government assistance.

[JoeDirt]

Yeah minimum wage here is like $7.25 atm and gasoline is $3.20 cents a gallon. I actually have a friend that lives in Australia he was telling me that he was making $700.00 to $800.00 dollars a day fixing mining equipment. But an average house there is almost 2 times what ours are. So either way in order to have health care for everyone it costs all of us some way or another. The problem here is that 9-12% of people arent working so it causes an imbalance in the system. People are collecting but not putting in. another 20 % are on government assistance.

Yet Pentagon mismanaged around 8.5 trillion dollars since 1996. Of course US can afford universal healthcare, but it is not in the interest of the big insurance lobby.

[Latino555]

Is there any (humane) way to make a complete turn around and clear this debt? Illegal immigrants aren't helping, wars aren't helping, etc? Socialism's supposedly bad, and trickle down is by far the worst thing to do? If the "important people" weren't greedy, what would they do that would keep us out of debt? I just don't get it.

I guess this is my moment to learn something lol..maybe not?

 

..and just saying, I was born a citizen and not an overstayed visa or something

 

I don't care who you are, just throw me some ideas. All I think of is just suck it up, work hard and pay the 10 bucks a gallon for gas

Edited November 27, 2013 by Latino555

[KevinBacon]

Scared to switch jobs because I don't want to be penalized for being uninsured, even if only for a short-medium amount of time.

Feels bad man.

[Joku_.]

Well I know this is not my place to say, since I don't live in the States, nor am I an American. But I will merely list somethings related to the issue that is lying behind the matter of trying to get everyone under the health care system.

 

For instance, start by checking the tax reduces that have been done under both the Democratic Party and the Republican Party, especially the later, in the last decades, if you have enough interest go all the way back to the 60's. Look of your military spending (republican connections in them). Look how you are printing money at the moment in order to get your economy rolling, it is called quantitative easing (about 100 milliard per day atm). US government is buying about half of its own state bonds, because it is unable to get them sold in the market. You have a huge tendency to socialize losses but privatize the winnings. A lot of your 'loose' taxation and different ways that parts of your monetary system are working are based on certain liberal values inside neoconservative thinking, premises of those have been proven false, inefficient, twisting, what ever wants to call them. You have a huge, and I mean huge, belief in your economy that once it gets rolling the private sector spending and investments will solve this huge sustainable deficit that is there. Only problem is, the so called Asian decades have started.

 

I understand the stand point that many of you are setting the bases of your argument. You perceive certain. let's call them American values, as a stand point. Historically the Republican's are very good using those arguments to advance certain conservative points. But the means that the premises of those arguments are based upon are most often false. Of course, by saying false I mean they are something that can be seen as perceivable, so forth, the false part is of course relative, since anyone can make a country as they please, but false if the happiness of majority is the goal we are setting our argument on. The whole conversation between privatization and government run is beside the point, and is based on one of your standing values and fear resolving from it. Mean is never the end.

 

You should consider social effects that are resulting because of the long term lack of affordable national health care, the by-products that are there in your society cause of it. Let them be mental, physical or just the way you or your youngsters perceive others. Think about the values it has instituted in your society. I don't have say that the lack of any kind of health care in the US has been for a long time listed as one of the biggest standing shortcoming, some even use the word crimes, in the westerns states against once own society.

 

All and all, ObamaCare is merely a compromise, after all, since the day one that it was brought to the attention of the Republican's. It was never given a change. And to install this massive change in a state were half of the decision makers are against it is an impossible task for anyone. Maybe ObamaCare will spark something that will shift this shortcoming at a right direction, the future decades will tell.

[JoeDirt]

Is there any (humane) way to make a complete turn around and clear this debt? Illegal immigrants aren't helping, wars aren't helping, etc? Socialism's supposedly bad, and trickle down is by far the worst thing to do? If the "important people" weren't greedy, what would they do that would keep us out of debt? I just don't get it.

I guess this is my moment to learn something lol..maybe not?

 

..and just saying, I was born a citizen and not an overstayed visa or something

 

I don't care who you are, just throw me some ideas. All I think of is just suck it up, work hard and pay the 10 bucks a gallon for gas

Yes there is. First ban all the lobbyists, make it a death penalty offense for anyone to lobby against the interests of the people. Second 99 percent of people have no idea what socialism is they just quote it because they hate Obama. Third quit giving half a trillion dollars a year to Pentagon (did you know that Pentagon gives everything away for free to the host nation when they close down a base, or did you know they store equipment that has not been used since WW2, can you imagine how much they waste just on storing old shit that noone will ever use). Illegal immigrants pay taxes when they do transactions, the only difference they don't get nothing back from IRS like you do.

[RuHaxin]

Yeah Kevin i dont blame you for being scared. Most likely you would be. Im still trying to figure out how 90% of the oil companies are making 6-12 billion in profit per quarter ((3 months) and we just uncovered the largest oil deposit in the world. They say its larger than Saudi Arabia yet gas has only dropped 30 cents.....Didnt Obama say hed tax the rich? So um where is their 30% extra tax ....You could tax 30% and they would still be able to buy an island or 2 per month. It boils down to outrite greed. Lower gas to 1.75 a gallon and most American people coulld afford to pay for the health care and oil companies would still make 2 billion a month......................

[b0rR*4cHo]

Obama got his 30%.  You should look up tax distribution based on income brackets.  I think you would be very surprised by how much taxes were already being paid by the top percentages.

As far as oil.  Natural gas is better and this is our direction wether you recognize it or not.  There is a difference between gasoline and raw oil btw.

Obamacare will not work unless the educational systems begins to strongly push towards life sciences.

Quantitative easing is not printing money.  They just call it that in the media.

National debt.  It is necessary.  It will NEVER be paid back nor will it have to be.  Never bite the hand (America) that feeds you (China/Japan).

Debt Ceiling.  False and I blame media for portraying only a fraction of what was truly going on.

Stop watching Fox.  It is garbage.  I don't say this because I am not a republican.  I say this because they work off of peoples fears in order to influence the publics political opinions when it comes to voting.

 

Oh and the buying bonds is not because there is a lack of interest.  It is just a policy to increase the money supply.

[Latino555]

I bet if one millionaire is sentenced to death, many people would lose their minds. Watch there be people going against the government and claim that their rights are being violated. Because you know, technically, they're humans, not pigs?

 

@borr_acho interesting..

[Joku_.]

1. Obama got his 30%.  You should look up tax distribution based on income brackets.  I think you would be very surprised by how much taxes were already being paid by the top percentages.

2. As far as oil.  Natural gas is better and this is our direction wether you recognize it or not.  There is a difference between gasoline and raw oil btw.

3. Obamacare will not work unless the educational systems begins to strongly push towards life sciences.

4. Quantitative easing is not printing money.  They just call it that in the media.

5. National debt.  It is necessary.  It will NEVER be paid back nor will it have to be.  Never bite the hand (America) that feeds you (China/Japan).

6. Debt Ceiling.  False and I blame media for portraying only a fraction of what was truly going on.

7. Stop watching Fox.  It is garbage.  I don't say this because I am not a republican.  I say this because they work off of peoples fears in order to influence the publics political opinions when it comes to voting.

 

8. Oh and the buying bonds is not because there is a lack of interest.  It is just a policy to increase the money supply.

 

1. From a Nordic or even European standing point, an American saying that the high income brackets in your country pay a lot of taxes already, that is cute. It is not about the brackets either, tax planning, legal evasion etc. Check the statistics how US wealth distribution has developed. And that argument is beside the point when scrutinizing the effects that wealth differences have in a society.

2. I am guessing you are referring to the new method (shale gas) that has made US self sustained, The method, hydraulic fracturing(fracking), is new, the research is little or none. What is more US does not even have any laws concerning fracking. In a nutshell it is pumping massive amounts of, among other things, kerosene, benzene to the ground. Don't need to have more than an IQ of a show to understand the potential problems in it, with the excellent self regulation US companies have.

3. People can't understand good health part of happiness and as part of the things that build meaningful life without the increase, okay.

4. The term printing money is used because even though one does not need to actually print it, it is still part of how much money there is around in theory which affects credibility, potential inflation etc. The problem of quantitative easing is not solved by saying you perceive the matter wrong, because it is only a simplifies version of the truth which is sufficient of the matter to say the problems it has.

5. Yeap at a certain point, even Norway has national debt although they have more than enough money to make it disappear. Check Japan, deflation etc. Your argument for the matter that dept is needed is solely beside the point and does not state anything in the matter how it affects financing and economic growth.

6. debt ceiling is US political tool used by the different parties, which ever is at the opposition at that time.

7. I agree fox is biased and full of crap. Although, the problem in itself is not one station but the fact that you can watch 7 different ones that all under one company and pose the image, making people think that they are getting a more versatile picture than in reality. Ownership maps are a great way to see these connection, there are tons in the internet.

8. China told some time ago that they are going to stop stockpiling us dollars. And you don't see this increase in the money supply as a problem, after all the recession has to end some day, what then?

[b0rR*4cHo]

How do you acquire capital? You finance then invest.  One way to finance is through credit.  Credit creates debt.  More capital means more potential which means the possibility of growth.

 

As far as sticking to the subject.  For affordable health care act to work we need more doctors because all stupid people will abuse the system because they get a cold or paper cut.

[Joku_.]

Yea and the real state bubble and the forthcoming stock bubble have not taught us anything in that matter. I would even go as far as posing those as some Canadian (Joe) or more likely European scam to control American financing that has found a loop hole in the system in that matter.

 

The point of making that list earlier was to put some perspective in the matter, connection. Even though in the end it is about the health care.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/29/opinion/krugman-obamacares-secret-success.html?src=recg

Krugman's valuation of the Obamacare.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/01/opinion/krugman-a-war-on-the-poor.html?ref=paulkrugman

 

For the later part of your answer.