Obama pulls combat pay for deployed US troops

[Kladkakan]

Lame...

[Darketch]

....and to add to what millivanilli is saying...units will game the system by stopping in a combat zone for two days to get the HDP and Tax Free Pay. The two days would be the last day of the month and first day of the month...which equals 2 months tax free.

 

You don't join the military to get rich, but the bonus pays are nice...especially when you have to leave your family at a moments notice and are fighting in a war that you don't feel like you should be in, watching your friends die. I don't want the country to be in debt, but Congress should look at other programs before messing with military pay, but I guess they turn there first because corporations have lobbyist and the military doesn't have anything to offer compared to business lobbyist.

[G!NG3R420]

....and to add to what millivanilli is saying...units will game the system by stopping in a combat zone for two days to get the HDP and Tax Free Pay. The two days would be the last day of the month and first day of the month...which equals 2 months tax free.

 

You would only be paid for the days in which you are in a combat zone, $7.50 a day up to the max of $225. Pretty much 7.50 x 30=225 so you would only get paid 7.50 for the last day of the month and 7.50 for the first day of the month, not the whole $450.

[milli vanilli]

your math is correct, however he was referencing the OLD way of getting two months of extra pay...

[KoopaTroopa]

Signed FloridaMarineCorpSoldier huh?

 

That right there made me balk at it. No self respecting Marine would call himself a soldier. Or misspell Corps.

[Ghostwind]

....and to add to what millivanilli is saying...units will game the system by stopping in a combat zone for two days to get the HDP and Tax Free Pay. The two days would be the last day of the month and first day of the month...which equals 2 months tax free.

 

You don't join the military to get rich, but the bonus pays are nice...especially when you have to leave your family at a moments notice and are fighting in a war that you don't feel like you should be in, watching your friends die. I don't want the country to be in debt, but Congress should look at other programs before messing with military pay, but I guess they turn there first because corporations have lobbyist and the military doesn't have anything to offer compared to business lobbyist.

 

My understanding is that you would now get paid on a per day basis. Gaming the system could not happen because they would get 2 days pay, not 2 months.

[KoopaTroopa]

Just wondering, but does this now mean that you only get Jump pay and Dive pay on days that you Jump or Dive, and not while you are required to maintain proficiency based on Billet? I think all of this is plain wrong.

[G!NG3R420]

My understanding is that you would now get paid on a per day basis. Gaming the system could not happen because they would get 2 days pay, not 2 months.

 

He was referencing the old system that was in place, right now its a daily basis, before one day of a month constitutes you for the full month pay.

 

Just wondering, but does this now mean that you only get Jump pay and Dive pay on days that you Jump or Dive, and not while you are required to maintain proficiency based on Billet? I think all of this is plain wrong.

 

You have to maintain your jump status, you get paid for being airborne but if you fail to maintain your jumps then you have to redo training and re-cert for the status.

[=Death Hunter=]

Just an update. This is from an e-mail I recieved from the Army. The following is for unofficial use only...

 

"A new law may affect the pay you receive when you are on duty in an imminent danger pay (IDP) area. About 27 locations world-wide have been designated by the Secretary of Defense as IDP areas.

 

The National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012 (NDAA 2012), signed on December 31, 2011, requires we begin prorating IDP so that members are paid for only the actual days they perform duty in an IDP area. Before December 31, members received the full $225 a month even if they performed duty only one day in an IDP area. Now service members will receive $7.50 for each day they are on duty in an IDP area up to the maximum monthly rate of $225. Members who are exposed to a hostile fire or hostile mine explosion event are eligible to receive non-prorated Hostile Fire Pay (HFP) in the full monthly amount of $225. Members cannot receive both IDP and HFP in the same month.

 

The law required proration to begin on December 31, 2011; however, because it took time to publish implementing guidance and ready pay systems, we were not ready to begin prorating the pay on that date. DoD began to pay the prorated payments beginning February 1, 2012. If you are eligible to receive IDP, you may see the prorated amount of the pay in your February 15th pay depending on the actual number of days you spend in an IDP area."

 

You should read sub-section D. Section 1031-1033 i believe. Thats the new stuff they slipped in there. If anyone or group is deemed a threat to national security you can be deemed guilty without a trial and indefinatly detained til all threats to national security are over. And with a war on terror. The threat is never over. This new legislation also gives the military authorization to use military force alongside of law enforcement ANYWHERE. Right downtown if they wanted to. One by one this government of ours is taking away our liberties and trying their best to replace them with government dependence.

 

We have a self-proclaimed marxist in office that took 2 and a half years to show the american public his false birth certificate twice. Firat was a certificate of live birth that any illegal could pay to get and tje 2nd was such a shitty job you can pick it apart with photoshop. But no one questions him.

 

He spent TRILLIONS. And everyone watched. Now we are gonna have ppl that wont be born for 30 years already in debt up to their eyeballs. Shouldve let the criminals fall. We dont need them. New watchdog studiea show tarp will end up coating us more.

 

What a mess we are in. And the only candidate that has the balls to back up the constitution, end the federal reserve, end income tax, get our big noses out of everyonea business and deal with our own problems first, gets blacked out by the corrupted liberal controlled media. Its sick. JFK died for calling this all out. Now we're seeing the truth.

[milli vanilli]

You can thank every President since Carter for how we have become involved in 'the war on terror.'

 

Oh and that little sub section you were talking about? You better thank every member of the Senate and Congress that was in office and voted for the Patriot Act, as well as Bush for signing it into law. When they signed a knee jerk reactionary piece of shit, they condemned we the people to have more and more liberties and rights taken away.

 

www.costofwar.com That's just the tax cost of Bush finishing daddy's war and us not getting out of Afghanistan.

[Ghostwind]

We have a self-proclaimed marxist in office that took 2 and a half years to show the american public his false birth certificate twice. Firat was a certificate of live birth that any illegal could pay to get and tje 2nd was such a shitty job you can pick it apart with photoshop. But no one questions him.

 

Obama isn't a Marxist, nor is any European leader Marxist. The USSR and its leaders were not Marxist, nor has any other socialist state (or its leaders) even been close to being Marxist (though many may have based their ideas off of Marxism). Marxism is simply an ideology a description of human history that views all of human history in terms of its Economics. Marx did not create an ideology per se, but rather tried to describe the importance of the majority of society by which the proletariat (the majority of us) will eventually come to hold power via government, but eventually yielding to a classless and stateless society. Marx felt that society is continually evolving through different stages of development to a Communist utopia of equality. Does this sound Like Obama?

 

http://en.wikipedia....tical_Marxism_3

 

He spent TRILLIONS. And everyone watched. Now we are gonna have ppl that wont be born for 30 years already in debt up to their eyeballs. Shouldve let the criminals fall. We dont need them. New watchdog studiea show tarp will end up coating us more.

 

Obama, like all presidents before him have inherited, and created debt (perhaps with a few exceptions). My grandparents are in debt, my parents are in debt, I am in debt, and my children will be in debt. This is essentially the same argument that both political spectrum have used when the other side is in power. The same argument was put forward when Bush(I, and II) was in power too by the democrats. Lather, rinse, and repeat until the end of time, or, the collapse of society as we know it.

 

What a mess we are in. And the only candidate that has the balls to back up the constitution, end the federal reserve, end income tax, get our big noses out of everyonea business and deal with our own problems first, gets blacked out by the corrupted liberal controlled media. Its sick. JFK died for calling this all out. Now we're seeing the truth.

 

Both political spectrums have news channels. And, again, the "Liberal Media" would argue that the "Conservative Media" is biased as well. But ultimately it is "the people" who make the decision on who to vote in to power, whether that be on a party, or a national level.

 

I also must ask, what exactly is the truth?

Edited April 27, 2012 by Ghostwind

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http://www.snopes.co...y/combatpay.asp

 

If anyone had remaining questions.

 

**edited against my better judgement**

 

Obama 2012. That is all.

[IKILLCAMPERS]

President Obama’s latest policy outrage makes no attempt to hide his contempt for our military, as he is ordering that our troops serving overseas in war zones overseas are not to receive combat pay unless they are being shot at. A Marine who lives in Florida has just posted a note on Facebook which stated that he received a letter from his PayPal account that he would only be receiving his Hazard pay (Imminent Danger Pay) if he is actually in a hostile area and at risk of being shot at.

So I just got a letter from MyPay (the way we get paid in the military), saying that I will only reason Combat Pay while deployed for the days that I take fire or am in a hostile area. Now, as an Infantry Marine, I’m constantly in a combat zone…it may not always be popping off, but for them to take that away from us is bullshit. Now, the aviation tech who sits on Camp Leatherneck, sure, I can see him not getting Combat Pay, but to take it away from the grunts, the ground pounders, the front line of defense…come on, Uncle Sam. You let the Liberals win a big one here… Florida Marine Corp Soldier (We are not posting his name for obvious reasons)

According to Military.com, as of February 1, 2012, this new measure went into effect, and soldiers who are to received the additional $225/mo. combat pay ‘must’ must be in immediate risk of harm. The measure is very specific in its criteria for receiving the additonal pay.

The rules for Hostile Fire and Imminent Danger Pay have changed. Service members will now receive imminent danger pay only for days they actually spend in hazardous areas. This change went in effect on February 1, 2012.

A member of a uniformed service may be entitled to Hostile Fire and Imminent Danger pay at the rate of $225 for any month in which he/she was entitled to basic pay and in which he/she was:

*Subject to hostile fire or explosion of hostile mines;

*On duty in an area in which he was in imminent danger of being exposed to hostile fire or explosion of hostile mines and in which, during the period he was on duty in that area, other members of the uniformed services were subject to hostile fire or explosion of hostile mines;

*Killed, injured, or wounded by hostile fire, explosion of a hostile mine, or any other hostile action; or

*On duty in a foreign area in which he was subject to the threat of physical harm or imminent danger on the basis of civil insurrection, civil war, terrorism, or wartime conditions.

The last bullet point speaks volumes as to the sheer stupidity of this measure. The whole point of going to Afghanistan and Iraq was for combat operations- Afghanistan still is a hostile warzone, and both U.S. and NATO forces continue to suffer losses in and out of combat hot zones. Insurgent attacks have accured throughout areas that have been deemed ‘safe’, and in areas where hostilities were not forseen.

 

 

http://patdollard.co...for-u-s-troops/

 

 

I must say, as a soldier myself, you should be entilted to the pay reguardless if you are shot at in a day or not. The indirect fire that is going off as well as the basic danger of just being on the fob. As well, if you are stationed in what is to be called a "safe zone" you will not receive the combat pay. Even though the safe zones still have a risk of insurgent activity and IED's. They keep taking more and more money away from the people who risk the most for the nation and its the damn desk SOB that are making this decision. How hard is it to sit behind a desk and ruin the lives of everyone else?

 

 

i can't be biased on this one , if your not getting shot at i think that yeah you don't deserve combat pay , i was never in green zone in iraq or in afghanistan , the one thing is true danger is all over i agree but the guys out of the safe zone are in more imminent danger but there is still danger in the safe zone also , so what i am saying , is this , one job is not as good as the other, i was a scout sniper and i always got shot at. so what this means a cook in safe zone should get paid the same sitting in a dining facility ,, i saw no , he probably never left fob, maybe 4 times whole deployment. i did over 600 missions in iraq over my 12 month deployment so was what i did the same as a fob hobbit?

[=Death Hunter=]

Im sick of people sticking up for theae assholes.it wasnt obama it was bush. It was bush it was clinton. It wasnt clinton....etc etc. I guess its george f***ing washingtons fault. Obama is tearing this country down NOW. He hasnt fixed a single solitary thing. Not ONE! Not one promise has been kept. He is a marxist, he was a matxist in college. He is a marxist now. No one who studies marxism in college deserves a seat in america. That goes for senate, congess, or president.

 

Theyre all the blame and they need flushed out. And they very VERY few who arent crooked are ridiculed and blacked out by the media and their fellow politicians.

 

Political parties were created 1-to make us think we have a choice and 2-to divide us. Dont think so? Look at us. Look at america i have seen people fist fight over a party. f***ing democrat scum! Republican a**h****!!! At the end of the day all those f***ers arw high fiving and playing golf on our tab!

 

Have no fear it wont last much longer. Especially after Obama buys this election. The shit will go too far. The people are waking up slowly. Ever so slowly...if we could just pry their fat asses from american idol and fast food. The syatem WILL fall. Its not a question of how, its a matter of when. Nothing short of a full on revolution will save this country. The big economic collapse is also upon us. The more government dependency they can get the better. Full control. Either join up or stay back causr its gonna get ugly here very soon.

 

 

 

Stay in line and face forward. We didnt ask were telling you.

-Love, your government

 

[Ghostwind]

This thread is getting a little bit off topic. Perhaps it is time to lock this thread.