Poison knives removal.

[tipsy]

  I have spoken with Daredevil, and it has been decided that poison knives will be removed from server Jay1. I like poison like myself, and I use it sometimes too. But I have noticed a few use knives, and it annoys a large no. of players. Hence, I requested the server owner to take down poison knives as an experiment to see the changes it brings to the server. Both in cons and in pros. 

 

Thanks. 

[Lusciousdrunk]

We’ve talked about it already, but I think it’s a good idea and something worth trying. I think it could bring back some old players and the ones on the server who primarily play knife will adapt. My only recommendation is making the knives do a decent amount of damage if they are going to be removed of poison completely. 

[Leatherface]

Best Idea ever, I hate it

[Snake in the Grass]

It's good to experiment changes.

 

The problem is more with the poison than the knife throwing though.

I still think poison is a political weapon that has no place on a battlefield.

But i confirm a lot of complaint about it either way.

 

At least on Jay1, we can at least get a team medic pack to heal; on NQ1 no remedy available, you basically wait to die, like an assh***... it's very humiliating....

[tipsy]

Today, in the map, Adlernest,   I was medic with full health. The enemy hit me with a "throwing knife" twice, and I was killed.  Adlernest doesn't have a poison knife. So, "throwing knife" is still a good option. 

[Shoresy]

Eliminate poison knife and reduce the throw distance as well!

 

Or one thing I always suggested was make it so perhaps only covert ops has poison knives and no other class. 

[Armagedonyx]

4 hours ago, tipsy said:

  I have spoken with Daredevil, and it has been decided that poison knives will be removed from server Jay1. I like poison like myself, and I use it sometimes too. But I have noticed a few use knives, and it annoys a large no. of players. Hence, I requested the server owner to take down poison knives as an experiment to see the changes it brings to the server. Both in cons and in pros. 

 

Thanks. 

When is it gonna be removed ? 

[Lusciousdrunk]

This idea needs to be well discussed before anything is finalized. I already have regulars pming me about this saying they are not going to play anymore on our server. I do not want this. Everyone should have an opinion and a say. Unity and comradery are what we are striving for and it begins with matters like this. 

[Caipirinha]

52 minutes ago, Lusciousdrunk said:

This idea needs to be well discussed before anything is finalized. I already have regulars pming me about this saying they are not going to play anymore on our server. I do not want this. Everyone should have an opinion and a say. Unity and comradery are what we are striving for and it begins with matters like this. 

 

Exactly!

 

And I would like to add two things. It might be an unpopular and raw opinion but it's my 2 cents.

 

First: Do players genuinely hate the poison knives or simply hate because they cant handle it (whether some think it requires skill or not), I think it does and some finds it very frustrating to die by it because of that. 

 

Second: I have been observing that the same players who often complain about it and even insult the knife killer, sometimes go and play an entire map with poison knives. Is it a guilty pleasure? they hate being killed by it but when its in their hands it's okay? 

 

Just my rant here since Jay1 is a server that differs a bit because of different features, it's a fun server in the end of the day. I understand some hate it, but some also love it. 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 11 by Caipirinha
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[Daddy]

Ok, i agree, poison knives every time bring us a frustation with the game .... maybe in some maps 

So, if the poison off, i need going to sharping them!!!

 

 

[SEpI]

I am biased when commenting on this since I use poison knives a lot, but several things in the game are frustrating. One of them is getting killed by fraggers and campers over and over again. Poison knives force these players to change their playstyle, which they don’t like. Also same players don’t like when they get killed by something like a mortar or a r nade if it disrupts their playstyle.

 

Jay1 players know my playstyle. I rush with knives and a shotgun. I often find myself in 1v2 situations. Poison knives give me the chance to focus on the player which isn’t poisoned. It gives me a chance to kill them both.

 

To my knowledge, there are no poison knives on the Jay2 server. If it were a serious issue, players would go play there.

 

If poison is removed from knives, throwing knives should deal at least as much damage as before.

 

Edited April 12 by SEpI

[Leatherface]

3 hours ago, Caipirinha said:

 

Exactly!

 

And I would like to add two things. It might be an unpopular and raw opinion but it's my 2 cents.

 

First: Do players genuinely hate the poison knives or simply hate because they cant handle it (whether some think it requires skill or not), I think it does and some finds it very frustrating to die by it because of that. 

 

Second: I have been observing that the same players who often complain about it and even insult the knife killer, sometimes go and play an entire map with poison knives. Is it a guilty pleasure? they hate being killed by it but when its in their hands it's okay? 

 

Just my rant here since Jay1 is a server that differs a bit because of different features, it's a fun server in the end of the day. I understand some hate it, but some also love it. 

 

 

 

 

I cant handle it, but I hate it becuz its to powerfull.. I cant kill enemy with 2/3 HS..but he can killl me with 1 knife...  

[Caipirinha]

38 minutes ago, Leatherface said:

I cant handle it, but I hate it becuz its to powerfull.. I cant kill enemy with 2/3 HS..but he can killl me with 1 knife...  

 

I understand it. Some can and simply don't like it.

 

I, can't handle it myself. Im rarely able to escape from them but I mean in general, some players can't handle it and start to cuss and insult instead of just play and move on.

PS:. A few of them are the ones who eventually will even play with them as well. So it is ironic. 

 

I often take a random panzer in the face or some lotto riflenade out of nowhere and die instantly but it doesn't mean I want them out of the game. 

 

 

 

Edited April 12 by Caipirinha
Correction

[Snake in the Grass]

Some more points to fuel the debate :

• Poison knives and poison needles are the only weapons to provide DOTs (Damage Over Time). This is from Jaymod, it was never available in the original game.
• these DOTS doesn't stop until death, which is very unusual in video games. A bit part of the frustration for non-users come from there.
• Even more strange, these DOTs disappear after being wounded/killed and revived (logically poison should still there)
• these DOTs are rather fast : the target is usually dead within a few seconds after being hit by a poison knives
• Thrown knives are NOT hitscans and their trajectory is curved if you strafe left or right. That's a major bummer for knife beginners, and the reason why so many people don't use it.
• Jaymod throwing distance is super long; used properly, it's basically a sniping weapon. Other mods (Silent, NQ, Nitmod) knives can be thrown to very short distance only. That could also be an idea to nerf it.

 

The 2 other popular servers (S1 and Beg2) run Silent mod where knives are simply not poisoned. It seems that removing poison from knives doesn't make the server less popular.

 

At the end of the day, we could simply be agile and try it for a while, like say, "May is a free knife month" or something.

 

We could also make a poll open to everyone, which would be a very democratic way to reach a consensus, and attract regulars to the FA.com.

That could be used by admins to advertise on main chat and generate additional traffic on the forums.

[COc0NuT]

I'm at point where i Hate them mostly, but sometimes they are the only way to get rid of Player like phantom(who btw goes spectator when u poison him-got that a vid). 

So now I'm mixed with my feelings. Useless maps like bba are my guilty pleasure and i go full knife i dont care, bba is crap so i play like crap too.