Obama to combat the American Constitution via Executive Order!!!

[=Death Hunter=]

So here we go. The word on the street is that the team Joe Biden is spearheading has agreed to bring Obama ideas on using executive orders to curb mass shootings with assault rifles. Not mass killings... mass shootings with assault rifles.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/09/politics/gun-control-battle/

 

What this means essentially is that nowadays the government of the U.S. thinks for some reason we work for them instead of the other way around. The 2nd Amendment is there so we can protect our homes and families. And also to protect ourselves from a tyrannical government. It is stated very clearly in our Constitution that this right in particular "Shall not be infringed." And what that means is the government has no authority to control or regulate our firearms in any way. The same government who flouridates the U.S. drinking water are the same guys that worry for your safety because there are Americans with weapons everywhere? Hard to believe. It's actually unbelievable. The same government who started a war in the middle east that's killed thousands and thousands of people over 10 years now are the same who are compassionate? Give me a break. There's one reason for trying to take our rights away. And that is Tyranny. Tyranny leads to oppression. And that's how dictators are made (dictatorships aren't always just one person).

 

I hope that if this is the route that they're going to try and take with us... that they are prepared to be shown that the American people will surely be underestimated because we are armed millions strong. Let them come and try to take them from us.

[BnBChumMaster]

Just a headsup on how long we have been in the middle east, 1930 is about the time. Think it was 1970 when we first started loosing soldiers. it might help.

 

 

Be nice to see these people ( 75 percent of the general population, lol ) who complain about their constitutional rights being violated, get off their ass, walk into Washington. Setup a new govt, because its " your right as a citizen " or didn't you read that part of the Constitution. Rather than sit there, on their ass, complaining about it or giving their so called view on what we should do.....

 

Semper Fi

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[=Death Hunter=]

I speak out because there are still uniformed people out there who don't realize what's going on in this country right now. The fact that our current "president" got re-elected is astounding to me. He has wrecked this place and pushed unconstitutional legislation on us. I really just don't get it. He's the great demagogue... and that's about it.

 

If they are sucessful in implementing a weapons ban of any kind through an executive order I'm not going to have to go to Washington. They'll come to us. And the cool thing about the 1st Amendment... I can give my so-called view without restriction. Maybe it's importance is being forgotten. Ideas are more powerful than any army.

[Jefke]

So please don't shoot me for asking this, but everytime I read about PROTECTING OUR SELF FROM THE EVIL GOVERNMENT. I'm wondering...

 

How is that going to work... I know you can get an AR-15...

Yeah, that will do the trick versus the government who spend bazillions dollar on 'defense'

 

Just an European guy thoughts

Like I said, don't shoot me please, I'm genuinely curious ^^

 

Also posted this on your blog entry, but wanted to add that I won't get into this discussion any further...

It's pointless for either side to defend their points, that's been proven in the billion topics I read about this topic the last couple of weeks. The question I ask is out of general interest ^^

Edited January 11, 2013 by DrJoske

[=Death Hunter=]

So please don't shoot me for asking this, but everytime I read about PROTECTING OUR SELF FROM THE EVIL GOVERNMENT. I'm wondering...

 

How is that going to work... I know you can get an AR-15...

Yeah, that will do the trick versus the government who spend bazillions dollar on 'defense'

 

Just an European guy thoughts

Like I said, don't shoot me please, I'm genuinely curious ^^

 

Also posted this on your blog entry, but wanted to add that I won't get into this discussion any further...

It's pointless for either side to defend their points, that's been proven in the billion topics I read about this topic the last couple of weeks. The question I ask is out of general interest ^^

 

I really did't think they had the balls to actually go through with it. But they're seriously talking about using executive orders. If that actually happens... we just got to wait it out. I'm putting this out there strictly as information. No BS.

 

The kicker is this, There are well over 3 million owners of what they call "Assault rifles". Just AR types alone. And we outnumber military and law enforcement personnel Roughly 150:1. On top of that we have a little thing called Posse Comitatus here in America.

 

http://en.wikipedia....e_Comitatus_Act

 

It pretty much means that the "federal" government can't run around here in America telling us what to do like what happens in other places in the world. They were designed strictly to defend us. That's check 1. Check 2 is the 2nd Amendment. We have the 2nd in case the federal government ignores check 1 see?

 

The things that have been going on in this country for the past 30 years is screwball. The past 10 have been jeapordizing. And the last 4 have been a complete trainwreck. And the thing that sucks the most is these lazy bastards here are spoiled rotten, our represenatives are corrupt, we have millions and millions of people on welfare and entitlement programs on our tab, we're now being forced to pay for everyones healthcare, and we're forced to support wars we don't agree with and know very very little about. And PAY FOR THEM! Our government has allowed private banks to plunder and destroy our economic system... and then bails them out... with OUR MONEY. Not to mention how they rape us with the fiat currency.

 

If you ask my opinion I think that knowlege brought this all on. The internet and morally outstanding people telling the truth. They occupy movements may have fizzled out slowly. But we had numbers. And we were in every city. Those were just people that were learning just how fiscally irresponsible and damaging our government has been. Light got shown on the crooks and theives. And I think it freaked them out. So now we are here. We're slowly being weened off our rights. The NDAA, The Patriot Act, and other orders like it strip us of our rights. Then we can't get them back. We've been paying for this war with a tactic with taxes and lives. And also the future taxes of people who aren't even born yet. For a war on a tactic. An excuse to invade the Middle East. We're not in Afghanistan to "help it's people". We're there for it's resources and a strategic location. Note:We invaded Afghanistan THEN moved into Iraq. Huge mineral deposits and 90% of the worlds opiate supply. Coincedence??? I think not!

 

So we'll have to wait and see. I know I'm fed up with them. I know I feel bad when I hear about all the collateral damage. And it's our fault for allowing it to happen. So I hope something gives somewhere so we can get this show on the road.

[Jefke]

K ty for answering me, like I said I won't go further in discussion.

But the things you brought up were new for me and will gimme something to read when really bored (because why would I European read this stuff)

[EnderWiggin]

tyr·an·ny

1. arbitrary or unrestrained exercise of power; despotic abuse of authority.

2. the government or rule of a tyrant or absolute ruler.

3. a state ruled by a tyrant or absolute ruler.

4. oppressive or unjustly severe government on the part of any ruler.

5. undue severity or harshness.

 

If #'s 1- 5 were to become reality... to me, it would look like this:

 

The legislative and judicial branches would cease to exist.

 

The length of the chain of command from Commander in Chief to Private Timmy would shrink considerably. So that the military becomes the C-in-C's police force and the C-in-C becomes Sheriff.

 

Due process would cease to exist or be severely limited.

 

Public executions, floggings and kidnappings by the police would occur regularly.

 

Now, in our 236+ years of existing as a sovereign nation, none of this has ever happened. Not even a hint.

 

So I ask you, what if you are wrong? What if the government does indeed ban assault weapons but tyranny never happens? That would be a good thing right? Why not put faith in a good thing rather than fear an outcome that, like i said, has never been hinted at in 236 years?

 

 

But if you really think that our 3 branch government is hanging by a thread, by all means, load your weapon. It's your right. Shoot the first person to call you crazy.

[1337]

and XO wouldnt outright ban "assault rifles" - as an XO can only add to current laws, not create a new law, per say. The most an XO could do is place whatever rifles they deem fit into the 86 NFA - requiring whatever rifle to have a tax stamp and all the registration etc to go with it. Which would yes, ban whatever rifle from certain states, as some states do not allow NFA items. Here in virginia, we can get nearly anything sans a predator drone, weaponized tanks, etc.

 

A new bill that was brought up regarding NFA trusts what that every head/co-head of a trust must submit fingerprints and photos to the ATF, and the Chief LEO notified of the weapons presence in his city, which originally was the go around for a trust.

 

Fun times are ahead.

[=Death Hunter=]

Now, in our 236+ years of existing as a sovereign nation, none of this has ever happened. Not even a hint.

 

So I ask you, what if you are wrong? What if the government does indeed ban assault weapons but tyranny never happens? That would be a good thing right? Why not put faith in a good thing rather than fear an outcome that, like i said, has never been hinted at in 236 years?

 

 

 

The history of past democracies prove it can and will happen eventually. It took Americans with their own weapons to claim the start of our 236 year span. It has happened. You can look around the world and see we are one of the few left with the right to protect ourselves from our own government if we need to. You don't see this kind of thing coming... funny my neighbor down the road is shooting right now lol.

 

It's stated very clearly that the 2nd amendment shall not be infringed. So the federal government needs to back off of us. And quite treating Americans like we need a god damn babysitter.

 

and XO wouldnt outright ban "assault rifles" - as an XO can only add to current laws, not create a new law, per say. The most an XO could do is place whatever rifles they deem fit into the 86 NFA - requiring whatever rifle to have a tax stamp and all the registration etc to go with it. Which would yes, ban whatever rifle from certain states, as some states do not allow NFA items. Here in virginia, we can get nearly anything sans a predator drone, weaponized tanks, etc.

 

A new bill that was brought up regarding NFA trusts what that every head/co-head of a trust must submit fingerprints and photos to the ATF, and the Chief LEO notified of the weapons presence in his city, which originally was the go around for a trust.

 

Fun times are ahead.

 

It seems to me from reading your post that you should have plenty enough knowledge of how this twisted government works. So you should know full well they do what they want now.

[EmtHipple]

 

tyr·an·ny

1. arbitrary or unrestrained exercise of power; despotic abuse of authority.

2. the government or rule of a tyrant or absolute ruler.

3. a state ruled by a tyrant or absolute ruler.

4. oppressive or unjustly severe government on the part of any ruler.

5. undue severity or harshness.

If #'s 1- 5 were to become reality... to me, it would look like this:

 

The legislative and judicial branches would cease to exist.

The length of the chain of command from Commander in Chief to Private Timmy would shrink considerably. So that the military becomes the C-in-C's police force and the C-in-C becomes Sheriff.

Due process would cease to exist or be severely limited.

Public executions, floggings and kidnappings by the police would occur regularly.

 

Well with the patriot act and the yearly NDAA which of coarse must be signed because it is the national defense budget along with other provision added to it like the indefinite detention of " Any person deemed to be a threat to the United States of America without trial and held by military law until the end of hostilities" I read that to say that effectively the judicial branch is already circumvented. I ask you who sets the definition of" a threat" and who it applies to. The law clearly states the US citizens are not exempted from this.

More and more military troops are being deployed within our borders to " Keep the Peace", I thought that was the sheriff departments job? I understand that in times of crisis the sheriff can be over whelmed, but that is why he/she has the authority to swear in deputies to assist, and most locales have a provision for the use of private militia groups( for lack of a better term ie: citizen militias, BSA, sportsman assoc. FD, Moose,ELKS you get the picture they are formed groups that already have a command and control built in) for the use of the sheriff in dealing with insurrection and disaster) The problem arises when a state of emergency is declared, A municipality can not receive any aid from the US military be it food, water, transportation, funding assistance with out declaring an emergency due to Posse Comitatus . But once a such a state is declared the military may move troops into the area and like what happened after Katrina those troops can be used to disarm the populace by force, and if martial law is declared well then you have to obey the military law and if not you will be arrested.

With the president issuing executive orders for what seems like ever time congress doesn't agree, seems to me like he is taking his executive powers a little far, how long until congress is declared and threat to the US and is detained and disbanded.

So I would say we are unnervingly close to it being a possibility

[Pici]

If the citizenry were prepared to revolt against the government, it would have happen by now, honestly. With the rantings of the Tea Party and worship/quote-mining of Thomas Jefferson, one can conclude that Americans are all talk.

 

In the other hand, maybe guns can be somewhat stabilizing to society. France has gone through five republics, two monarchies, two empires, two periods of foreign occupation and a period of anarchy in roughly the same time the U.S. has never dissolved since its inception. Britain didn't really became a democracy until the 1880's. Or maybe the French just really love chopping heads

[1337]

The history of past democracies prove it can and will happen eventually. It took Americans with their own weapons to claim the start of our 236 year span. It has happened. You can look around the world and see we are one of the few left with the right to protect ourselves from our own government if we need to. You don't see this kind of thing coming... funny my neighbor down the road is shooting right now lol.

 

It's stated very clearly that the 2nd amendment shall not be infringed. So the federal government needs to back off of us. And quite treating Americans like we need a god damn babysitter.

 

 

 

It seems to me from reading your post that you should have plenty enough knowledge of how this twisted government works. So you should know full well they do what they want now.

 

 

Why yes, and no. They will do what they want, but they will go about it in such a way that even the most knowledgeable Justices, Congressmen/Senators etc will be left scratching their heads. They wouldnt dare do it in such a way that could be over turned by a group committed and wise individuals, who arent in the pocket and would risk their lives.

[=Death Hunter=]

HA!!! Texas, Wyoming, and Oklahoma are first states to have laws outlawing federal restrictions on gun rights. Now, if the feds try to enforce a weapons ban in that state THEY will face prison time!!! Thats awesome!!!!

[parrot]

mmm.

 

People called Lincoln a dictator who flaunted the law as well.

 

Just saying.

 

Personally I don't own a gun and have never seen the need for one. I'd be perfectly happy if they were banned. Not that that's anything like what is being proposed.

 

You have a problem with background checks? You have issues reloading a 5 shot magazine? While I agree the "assault" weapon ban is rather silly, what difference does it make? Buy the regular version and the problem is solved.

[Chameleon]

If they try to outlaw/ban guns here, there will be a revolution I am sure of it.. I don't own a gun and never have, but most of the USA does and it is their right to do so.. I think it is another step in trying to disarm the people, just to give the government another ace up its sleeve..