ajnl Posted February 12, 2011 Posted February 12, 2011 Question 1: False, maybe do more research and look outside the USA. Amputees aren't ignored. Question 2: Because there is sin in the world. And there are many people who God works through, to help those people. For example Missionaries. Why aren't you doing anything about it? Question 3: Those were all verses in the old testament. And they aren't "innocent". Everyone is a sinner, no matter who you are. Also those are extremely terrible sins, which were punishable by death. It does make sense, maybe you should read the whole Bible and look at the context first. The Sabbath is a Holy day and so we MUST keep it Holy. Question 4: Key phrase here: "from a scientific perspective." You can't look at the Bible from just one perspective. You have to think about it philosophically as well. Certain things in the Bible are literal and certain things aren't. Science has many holes as well. Science isn't anywhere near perfect. The big bang theory is still, just a THEORY. Question 5: Slavery back then and now are COMPLETELY different. The slavery that the Bible talks about, is when your in debt to some (you own them money) you become their slave for a few years to pay them back. Back then slaves had status and they were never slaves their whole life. The picture of what a slave was in the USA, is not what a slave was when the Bible is talking about it. Question 6: There are no "good" people. Everyone is a sinner. Bad things happen because of sin. Question 7: There is. For example where the Red Sea was spit, they found evidence of that and other things. Do more research... ? Question 8: How would you know if Jesus appeared for real to anyone? If that person said so, you would just write him/her off as being insane. Question 9: It is a SYMBOL of His Body which was broken on the cross and a His shed blood. Obviously it isn't really his body and blood. It is a symbol to remember what He did for us. Question 10: Christians get divorced as much or more, because no one is perfect. Christians are sinners as well. And just because they say they are Christians, doesn't mean that they are Christians. I think i'm an intelligent person. Studying Aeronautical Engineering. Science has showed me that a God makes more sense Question 1: Where did the big bang theory come from? Just out of no where? Question 2: Why do people have morals? Without a God, we can't have morals Question 3: If you believe in evolution, why aren't we allowing the weak to die off? Survival of the fittest. Well anyways, I wanna play some Black Ops. Have a great day! Quote
Clan Friend SunLight Posted February 12, 2011 Clan Friend Posted February 12, 2011 Well I shouldn't answer those 10 questions, because it's about intelligent christians, and I am not intelligent, at least not a genius. Only thing I would say about the first ones, is that to pray an all-powerful god isn't logical, because if he knows everything, and can do everything, it shouldn't be necessary to pray, and being able to make god change his mind makes no sense as well. He knows everything, our needs included. He can do everything, so if he doesn't do something he doesn't want to. Also, a perfect being who wants people to ask for things, makes him look too human, and thus imperfect. Nay even worse than some humans, since good people give without asking you to ask. Let alone the fact that if there is a god who knows everything and is all-powerful, then we can't have any freewill, so our praying would be his decision anyway... Quote
jaie Posted February 12, 2011 Posted February 12, 2011 (edited) Maybe God has already decided he will change his mind depending on how we change our mind. Maybe God doesn't want to then. Would you do something you didn't want to do? So why would God do something he didn't want to do? Maybe God doesn't need people to ask him for things. But people need him not to just give them things for free. What would the world be like if God just spoon fed everyone everything they needed. we do have free-will seeing we can make the decision to pray and not to pray etc Edited February 12, 2011 by jaie Quote
Clan Friend SunLight Posted February 12, 2011 Clan Friend Posted February 12, 2011 we do have free-will seeing we can make the decision to pray and not to pray etc this one is a bit simplistic imho telling that free-will (the ability to make decisions) can be implied from the fact that 'we can make the decision' seems like circular reasoning to me. Quote
jaie Posted February 12, 2011 Posted February 12, 2011 this one is a bit simplistic imho telling that free-will (the ability to make decisions) can be implied from the fact that 'we can make the decision' seems like circular reasoning to me. well if free-will is the ability to make decisions, and in real life, you can make decisions - then surely in real life you have free-will? Quote
Clan Friend SunLight Posted February 12, 2011 Clan Friend Posted February 12, 2011 well if free-will is the ability to make decisions, and in real life, you can make decisions - then surely in real life you have free-will? If it was so simple then people whouldn't have talked and written about it for centuries... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_will Think about this, for example. If someone builds a thinking computer, that computer will 'think' that he has freewill, but it's of course a machine, and machines can't have freewill, or can they? Because every single state of the machine depends on the previous states + input, so after a specific input it necessarily follows a certain output. But you wouldn't be able to distinguish that computer's thinking from that of a human being. So, personally I don't know if I have freewill or not, I just 'feel' it, but feelings can be wrong, and since I am too lazy to read all that bunch of stuff philosophers said about it, I have no idea. Maybe I should (read), because these are key questions... sry for any english mistakes I could have made Quote
jaie Posted February 12, 2011 Posted February 12, 2011 Some people believe in God, somepeople don't. Because both exist, we can say we have the freewill to choose whether to believe in God or not. Quote
Zuthus Posted February 12, 2011 Posted February 12, 2011 God doesn't help everyone, because he wants us to help , too. Life would be easy if God does everything! If he does everything, why do we have life, what's the meaning? God is trying to help the human kind. He can't just do everythng for us, in my opinion. We can't just sit down and pray that everything is okay. We change our destiny, we have to act, he only helps us with that, but we have to make the big change. We have to help those poor children, we have to protect the world from extinsion. That's what I think. Well I'm just 13 so maybe I'm wrong and I don't have that much knowledge to talk about this. I hope my opinion is considered. Quote
Clan Friend SunLight Posted February 12, 2011 Clan Friend Posted February 12, 2011 I hope my opinion is considered. It is, just like the opinion of everyone who doesn't claim to be the depositary of ultimate truth. In fact I said I don't know if I have freewill or not, but I didn't say that we should live our lives as if freewill didn't exist, actually that would be impossible. But telling that it's granted that freewill exists is a gross oversimplification imho. And even agent Smith agreed that God cannot give us everything for free or the world would be boring Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through suffering and misery. The perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from. Which is why the Matrix was redesigned to this: the peak of your civilization. Quote
vke Posted February 12, 2011 Posted February 12, 2011 God isn't a band-aid. Stop whining to God about things that he really doesn't care about. Why would the creator of EVERYTHING really care about your promotion, your cancer etc. He clearly has other things to worry about, like inventing quantum physics to confuse the shit out of college students. In my opinion, God doesn't work in drastic miracles like regenerating a leg. That is the job of science, and these bullshit ethics laws are doing nothing for the greater good. God helps those who help themselves, and we clearly aren't doing much to help ourselves. God helps amputees in other ways, such as "inspiring" the technicians that design their prosthetics. And God helps the amputee more with the mental healing involved with losing a limb. In response to the whole free will thing.... Picture this, you're brain in a vat, submerged with spinal fluid and the other chemicals in your body. It is hooked up to a computer, and Descartes is carefully manipulating the electrical signals and chemicals, making you see a tree. Can you tell the difference between what Descartes is making you see, and what you would be seeing normally? And tie that in with the concept of free will. There isn't ANY proof that can tell me that I'm not a brain in a vat, being used like in the Matrix. I only believe otherwise, because of my faith in God. Quote
Papito Posted February 12, 2011 Posted February 12, 2011 @SunLight Is not about if God know or if He see everything, you need recognize your errors, is like if you need learn something so simple like learn about your own mistakes. Quote
Razzled Posted February 12, 2011 Author Posted February 12, 2011 Wow. Didnt know this would generate this much interest/responses. Nice to see that so many beleivers still exist. God is great. We all have our god's we beleive in, but the most important thing is that we beleive in a higher being. In my opinion, no answer is wrong or right.It is in here,*pointing to heart*, what really matters. Quote
Papito Posted February 12, 2011 Posted February 12, 2011 No matter if you are christian, jewish, catholic or another, do the good no matter to who. Quote
Coldwar Posted February 12, 2011 Posted February 12, 2011 Wait, why cant you have morals without god? Quote
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