Baserace: switching from panzer to light weapons and fair play - Beg1

[tj kill ya]

In the past, we asked players - including some who have since been banned - to avoid switching from panzer to light weapons in the spirit of fair play.
Recently, this has become increasingly common, particularly among staff members.

To me, this is similar to deliberately rushing a map without an anti-rush. Just because the server technically allows something does not automatically mean it is good for the game or the people playing it.

When someone raises the issue, the response is often “defend better” or “use it yourself.” Neither addresses the concern. If everyone has to adopt the same behaviour just to compete, we lose the gameplay that made the map enjoyable in the first place.

Staff should be setting the example. If we previously asked other players to show restraint, that same expectation should apply to staff, too.
 

Baserace is one of the most popular maps on the server, and we should protect its appeal. Could we agree on a clear, consistent position on switching from panzer to light weapons, and enforce it equally for everyone? If a technical restriction is needed, that should be considered as well.

I’m raising this because I want Baserace to remain enjoyable - not because I expect to win every fight.

[polocolo]

Since the topic has come up, I’ll weigh in.
I also use the MP40 for base defense, because there comes a point where I can't break through enemy lines anymore and just get shredded.
This has been brought up several times, and it was never stated that it’s forbidden.
Other players use these weapons too, so as long as it’s allowed, I’ll use them.
And it doesn't stop players from getting through; it just slows them down.
I stay in my base and defend it, but I certainly won't go hunting for a player inside *their* base.

 

And it also prevents finishing the map in under 10 minutes, since it's turned into a race to finish as quickly as possible.

Like Josif, for example.

Edited October 3 by polocolo

[tj kill ya]

Josif is another case, he is using always adre and he has quite intresting "lags" during the race (only in baserace). But several players are using the light weapons not just for defending.

[tj kill ya]

Example yesterday, he was using mp40 in offense, but when I asked him to put down he did.

[tj kill ya]

Today again... A guy used in 3v2 lightweapons sometimes in offense as well (with rusher Josif in the same team). Asked several times to put it down, he refused to do it. Splatted, but started nag about admin abuse... I only asked them to play fair. Josif responded that Polocolo and I are the admin abusers:) We should bann light weapons. Definately.

Edited October 5 by tj kill ya

[von Rantala]

3 hours ago, tj kill ya said:

Today again... A guy used in 3v2 lightweapons sometimes in offense as well (with rusher Josif in the same team). Asked several times to put it down, he refused to do it. Splatted, but started nag about admin abuse... I only asked them to play fair. Josif responded that Polocolo and I are the admin abusers:) We should bann light weapons. Definately.

 

I ask because i dont know situation. Was there !panzerwar and he used glitch to get MP40 or was there option what allowes players to use MP40/Thompson?

[polocolo]

hello

As the base improves, it becomes possible to use the MP40.

[von Rantala]

If its build in the map that its allowe to use lightweapons in panzerwar, then its allowed. We can ofc talk about making rule what forbitten lightweapons, but before its rule we cant punish anyone for using lightweapons. 

 

 

[D..X]

once the weapons become available  people are free at this point to use as they want its a feature of the map and i personally

dont think its a big deal there are 2 people in this topic so far  that ask for change if there are more tell them to make a topic and express there concerns at this point we wont consider any rule changes or map changes for a handful of people. we have experienced this with jay 1 panzer 3 map limit its very hard to police and keep track  someone would have to constantly be watching game play in order for it to work and i dont see people wanting to do that 

4 hours ago, tj kill ya said:

Asked several times to put it down, he refused to do it. Splatted, but started nag about admin abuse... I only asked them to play fair. Josif responded that Polocolo and I are the admin abusers:) We should bann light weapons. Definately.

also without having a written rule already it could be considered  a form of admin abuse i see your point but we cant be splatting people and banning when the weapons are there for the taking and no rule exist as of yet might take some time as DD is busy with RL atm but i will ask him if any of the above can be done thanks for bringing it to our attention.   

 

[Vice86]

On 10/2/2026 at 2:21 PM, tj kill ya said:

In the past, we asked players - including some who have since been banned - to avoid switching from panzer to light weapons in the spirit of fair play.
Recently, this has become increasingly common, particularly among staff members.

To me, this is similar to deliberately rushing a map without an anti-rush. Just because the server technically allows something does not automatically mean it is good for the game or the people playing it.

When someone raises the issue, the response is often “defend better” or “use it yourself.” Neither addresses the concern. If everyone has to adopt the same behaviour just to compete, we lose the gameplay that made the map enjoyable in the first place.

Staff should be setting the example. If we previously asked other players to show restraint, that same expectation should apply to staff, too.
 

Baserace is one of the most popular maps on the server, and we should protect its appeal. Could we agree on a clear, consistent position on switching from panzer to light weapons, and enforce it equally for everyone? If a technical restriction is needed, that should be considered as well.

I’m raising this because I want Baserace to remain enjoyable - not because I expect to win every fight.

 

I’ve never heard of such a map-specific, nor server specific rule.

 

However, it wouldn't be the first time, that group of admins reinforced each other's groupthink—misinterpreting or inventing rules, all under the guise of "fair play" or their own subjective interpretation.

That should never happen, though, because everything we need is clearly stated in our wiki.

 

Thank you for bringing that up! That is an issue that needs to be addressed indeed.

 

There was simply a misunderstanding regarding the map.

It is a built-in function of the map itself, adjusted via the map script.

That adjustment can also be removed, added, altered, etc.etc. from the script.

However, that is a separate issue for the server management to decide, but for now, we don't enforce made up rules.

 

 

On 10/2/2026 at 2:21 PM, tj kill ya said:

we asked players - including some who have since been banned

@tj kill ya

You mentioned in your post that people have already been banned since. 

have they been banned for offending this?

[tj kill ya]

31 minutes ago, Vice86 said:

You mentioned in your post that people have already been banned since. 

have they been banned for offending this?

Not only for this, either for constantly abusing other players, stacking, rushing...

[Nino14]

It would be good if the "light weapons" option could be removed of this map. 🙋 Moustaki 💋

[polocolo]

Like it or not, those are the rules.

 

Splatting a player by invoking "fair play" is an abuse of the concept.

 

I arrived this morning, and in less than five minutes, Josif had practically finished the map.

Even without the MP40, players like him finish the map with the sole aim of snatching the objective by using the Panzer's power to jump over the fence.

(He takes adrenaline, runs at full speed while jumping, and on the final jump, he aims the Panzer downwards to boost the jump and land right on the objective.)

 

In that case:
- remove enhanced gravity
- remove the double jump for this map

 

That would change things—the MP40 wouldn't be needed anymore.