Cheaters on cod4 server

[krosan]

Countless times there are blatant cheaters on the cod4 beginners server, yet no admin in sight. Not even on xfire. And I've added a few.

It even goes so far that the server runs empty because of these f***tards.

 

Also, clear aimbotters should be banned ON SIGHT, not after 10 minutes of taking demos. It encourages the cheaters to keep coming.

Do you really believe blatant aimbotters will come to the forum and try to get unbanned?

Any ban you place on them is useless because they can very easily bypass them. PB GUID bans are even more useless, it's well known PB is a piece of shit AC.

The only guys who might come on the forums are really good players who got banned mistakingly, but those aren't the blatant aimbotters. Take a demo of those players before you ban them, that's cool.

 

Sorry for the rage, but just got another cheater on the server which pisses me off.

Edited December 8, 2012 by krosan

[Ol Smoke]

I am with Krosan. In the last week it is getting pretty tiresome to just start getting going and then Headshot city arrives and ruins everything.

When I ran the #UF# server we had updated anti-hack files we loaded on the servers. Sometimes we had to do it twice a day. But after a

while the hacking stopped. We were part of the worldwide ban system and would get names and guids from them and place those into the

server ban files. It's a lot of work but when you own a COD4 server that is what is required to make it fun and popular.

We had admins on every hour of the day. We would split up the time slots so that at least one of us was there. After I retired I took the daytime

hours for the other guys for a while.

There is a number of cheaters that come in and out of the game during all hours. They arent blatantly getting headshots and wallshots on every kill.

But there are some some sort of aiming bot set to a low setting so the headshots dont come. Most of these guys will get scores in the upper

700's to over a thousand. But the KDR is really low because they are using a wallhack to see the enemy. These guys are good and know how to get

under the radar. But if you spec them you can see how they are cheating.

Edited December 8, 2012 by #UF#Smoke

[SinfulRaevyn]

Take a demo and report it?

 

Admins aren't demanded to be online 24/7. Not all of FA's admins play CoD4.

 

Many of the admins have lives or families, or obligations that keep them from being able to be on all the time. Add more admins to xfire? Check the members list and sort by CoD members. Add anyone level 14+. Add Co-Leaders as well.

 

 

Also sorry, but demos are needed, even for blatant aimbotters. Just on the off chance that one of these idiots does come to protest. No proof= free pass.

 

if you think you can do better, apply to FA? Run your own servers? Idk.

 

When I was admin I sat on those damn servers 24/7 and camped for hackers. It gets tiresome. Especially when shit like this gets posted.

 

Coming here to complain, if you have no interest in helping seems pointless to me.

[krosan]

Sorry my initial post was loaded with frustration.

 

I can imagine you get some retard cheaters trying to appeal their bans, so I assume the demo thing might be necessary that way.

However, you could also trust your admins to ban the blatant hackers if they are very obvious. I mean, you have a trial system, so you should be able to trust your admins with that.

Of course don't ban not-so-blatant cheaters without a demo, as admins can make a judgement error without bad intentions. Then a demo is the right way to go.

But please, trust your admins to ban those cheaters that are headshot-only aimbotting fast and efficiently, without giving them the chance to ruin people's killing streaks, overall stats or make people leave the server because of it.

Even if a demo only takes 30 seconds.

 

Anyways, if this system isn't changed it would be disappointing but not as much as the problem that an admin is not always online.

Your current solution is to have people post a demo on the forum, but I think this is not very efficient.

Okay, that cheater will eventually be banned, but we all know not a single ban is effective these days. You can't ban by IP, because dynamic IPs are standard these days, you can't ban by GUID because even a kid can change that, and you can't ban by PB GUID because if someone can install a hack, they can surely install a PB bypasser also. So the only thing that really is effective against cheaters is to ban them the moment they are on the server to stop them from causing harm. Also people don't go on a server to take a demo, go on your forum, post a topic with the demo, and wait for the moment an admin reads it.

 

So maybe appoint more admins that can ban? Like Smoke said, get a timeschedule or something based on timezones people live in.

 

Anyways, hopefully this topic can lead to a better way to deal with cheaters (turning PB on would be a start) and not another admins vs me topic like last time.

Edited December 8, 2012 by krosan

[Lulu]

Why isn't PB on for Beginners? Is it because it likes to randomly kick people a lot like on the other servers?

 

I've also always wondered about posting demos. I assume that with that, all you can do is have everyone keep an eye out for the person, which seems rather inefficient, but understandably (with no admins online) the best we can do. Whenever I suspect someone of hacking, I spec them first while recording, and if I still think they are, I opt for calling in an admin on XFire rather than posting the demo. Seems more efficient and it's why I always ask an admin for their XFire SN when I see one on I don't know.

 

Personally, I think that setting up a time rotation and having someone on constantly is a bit excessive. This is a video game. We have lives (well, most of us, anyway). Nobody is getting paid for this. We all just come on when we have time to kill, so I think asking people to devote time to it on any given day is a bit over the top.

 

I honestly agree that sometimes 10 minutes of a demo when someone is obviously using an AimBot is excessive, but if that's what the clan requires of its members, we just have to accept that - frustrating as it may be.

 

We get hackers all the time on Beginners - we don't have a perfect system. It sucks that it happens, and I see a lot of people leave because of it, but I honestly don't know what can reasonably be done to prevent it.

Edited December 8, 2012 by Lulu

[Drizzt DoUrden]

first of all, i am sorry for having a real life (yes even me).

 

i have to agree with you that we still need more admins who can handle cheaters and that the amount of cheaters can be annoying, but we cant give every wannabe admin adminpower. why we dont turn on pb? well, turning on pb will get rid of the most cheaters but not all. turning on pb will cause other problems, the most people will get kicked because they dont know or dont understand how to update pb. (we already tried and failed with another server, where we enabled pb again)

 

as i already said, i understand that is really annoying. we give our best to keep our servers clean (and yes, we are not playing only 1 game) but please understand that we have a real life too.

 

side-note: the most cod4 admins which you know from beginners server are trying to re-populate another server. thats 1 of the reasons why we have the lag of admins on beginners atm.

[krosan]

Once more, a hacker is on, no admin anywhere

[SinfulRaevyn]

A schedule would be nice, however, again admins apply to volunteer to help. THey aren't forced to help. They also can't be forced to abide by a schedule.

 

I find FA to be more of a community, and less of a military themed strict clan. They're here to help out as much as they can to make the server a great place. However, they can only do so much. Also, a little secret? FA admins #1 motto seems to be Life First. I have seen a lot of people get stressed out and make quitting posts, only to have higher ups and fellow admin tell them to take the time they need, get life sorted first, then come back. It's nice to see a clan care about its members like that.

 

As for trust?...

 

Many admins are trusted. However, banning without proof. No way. No how. Have seen way too many idiots in the past abuse their admin. For example, out of the blue (if I was still admin) I could ban you and go, oh well he had an aimbot, but I don't have evidence. Just trust me, you can ask so-and-so. ..All just because I didn't happen to like you on a certain day. (And believe me I've seen past admin accuse someone and ban them without proof.. and the person was actually innocent. Thankfully said admin is no longer with the clan.)

 

Also the trial system isn't the best thing to judge admin from. Anyone, at any time, can turn into a complete douchebag for no reason. Not only that, but I've seen some people make it, that I don't think should have. Most trials are inducted via a voting system (to an extent). I could say, well this person doesn't do shit.. while 10 other admin can say 'he's getting better' and the bad admin is given a chance because a majority think he may be a good fit. Don't get me wrong- i'm not bad mouthing the process! just pointing out, every process has flaws. ^.^

 

 

I would love to see more admins promoted for banning purposes. Beginners is running low at certain times of the day. I had recommended one, and I know there's a couple others that could be quite useful. Maybe Dare or leaders will see this topic and consider more for promotions to fill in those odd hour gaps.

[krosan]

Okay thanks for the responses guys.

 

Just wanted to also say that I appreciate the job you guys do, it might seem a bit disrespectful of me to come here to complain, so just for the record I don't blame anyone for not being there when a cheater is on.

That being said, when I meant with an admin rotation Lulu is not really a timeframe people MUST be online, but rather a recruitment strategy that will higher the chance of people being online at all times during the day & night.

It's rare that servers are filled up 24 hours around the clock, but credits to you guys for making this happen on this server. Yet that means when the USA guys are sleeping, we are awake and playing.

I already see lots of admins from around the world, but maybe you guys can look into your admin-base, their activity, and see which kind of players you could attract for managing the server at those times where admin activity is low in general.

 

I think having admins on the server or at least on xfire is a good solution to all this. Of course you can't expect players to add admins on xfire (while some do such as me), so maybe another way to IM admins easily like IRC or something could help. I don't think you guys use IRC, right? Maybe a chatbox on the site then? I dno, just giving ideas here.

 

About the PB, I do think you should fix it and I think you did based on someone's comment on the server. Running a server without any AC is like asking cheaters to come over

You understand that right?

Ok maybe PB updates give issues but I can't imagine there's no possible suitable solution (if you haven't found it yet).

This I think is a good path of action to follow that would lower the amount of blatant cheaters right away.

Maybe some will still slip through, but maybe those are the humanized aimbots. And for those I guess the playerbase is used to that right? Seeing how much they accuse non-cheaters they wouldn't feel much difference with humanized aimbots anyway :PPP

[SinfulRaevyn]

I believe we did enable PB on beginners at one point during my reign of terror. >

 

It worked well for a bit, but I think there was problems with many regulars not being able to get on and the server started to die...

 

Not sure of the reason now, as I was away when it was disabled again. D:

[Jefke]

I think having admins on the server or at least on xfire is a good solution to all this. Of course you can't expect players to add admins on xfire (while some do such as me), so maybe another way to IM admins easily like IRC or something could help. I don't think you guys use IRC, right? Maybe a chatbox on the site then? I dno, just giving ideas here.

 

Euhmmm..

We have a lot of people on xfire, almost 24/7 (only time I see a bit lack of admins is around 3-4am GMT +1 ).

I can know, because well I sleep every 40ish hour, so I am there almost all the time (even when at school I have it in the background)

 

It's just finding the right people to add on xfire (not me, I'm currently only set on one cod server => still should fix that)

Most of them, when are online are more than willing to come online to let the banhammer drop ^^

 

If players aren't willing to add us on xfire. Well... Quite frankly: their problem. We try to keep the servers clean as much as possible, but everybody knows 100% clean is wishful thinking. Even with pb enabled. If the players aren't willing to help that tiny bit... (ps. BIG ty for those who do )

 

As far as I can see, I can only respect the COD admins (I'm primarily w:et). They sure have sh!tloads of work to do :s

 

Running a server without AC, shouldn't be a problem necessary btw. Our et servers all are without pb (pb support dropped )

I didn't notice a massive increase of cheaters on those.

 

But well that's comparing two completely different thing with each other.

 

 

just my 2 cents ^^