Thanks for the tips... cfg shouldn't have anything to do with it because I never changed anything before this happened and i have tried a clean install of ET... as with the windows i do see updates potentially around that date in the history... but i don't know how to retract them to see if that can solve the issue or even if i'm able to. As with r_primitives that would be in a cfg right? If so i'm not loading from anything on the clean run. Just missing playing this game... my usual go to thing after work for many years.