Building or buying a pc

[Platonic]

I need a new pc. Only interests: as cost effective as possible within 500 euro range (=560$), no monitor, keyboard or mouse included. And it should be reliable, that's my first concern. I need some advice on whether to build one or to buy one, refurbished or not. If you advice me to build, I'd also love to get some advice on what to look for.
 
The build I quickly composed:
 

 

 

• corsair CX 500W PSU
• Liteon IHAS124-14 DVD drive
• Zalman Z3 Plus case
• Kingston v300 SSD (240GB if amzon, 120 if Vibox)
• AMD Radeon R7 360 2GB Graphics Card
• ASUS M5A97 Motherboard
• 3.8GHz AMD FX-4300 4-Core CPU
• [AMD] 8GB CL9 1600MHz DDR3
• iLite Mini 150Mbps USB Wireless LAN Network Adapter
• Windows 7 pro

 Price would be €515 on Amazon
 
Questions:
-do you think I'd need extra cooling?

-would I easily be able to add a sound card afterwards if I need it?

-I would really like to save up on the graphics card. Heaviest application I would use is Magic VJ software (it doesn't demand this graphics card). Any suggestion on what would be ok as well?
-do you think a nub with a brain but 0 experience would be able to build this without messing up? Or would you advice letting it build by vibox.co.uk? In that case I would have a 120 gb SSD instead of 240 and it would cost me €643. Then I think it would be better to just buy something standard, no?

 

 

 

If I would buy: 

Zoltac disadvantage=no operating system https://www.bol.com/nl/p/zotac-zbox-oi520-be-pc-s-werkstation/9200000030241583/ 

Vibox (ugly imo+ quite low end processor) https://www.amazon.fr/Vibox-centrale-Gaming-Athlon-Radeon/dp/B00CUFSAYG/ref=sr_1_31?m=A1X6FK5RDHNB96&s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1463237801&sr=1-31&keywords=ordinateur

Lenovo (think I would go with this if I would not build) http://www.mediamarkt.be/nl/product/_lenovo-ideacentre-300s-11ish-intel-core-i3-6100-90d9002cmb--1546439.html

Critics and hints are most welcome  I'm a total noob when it comes to computer related things, so don't laugh at my ideas

[RendeL]

I have not looked what is and what is not good these days when it comes to hardware, but if you want to be able to actually do something with your pc, then build it yourself.

 

On some ready packets, the bios is locked from the OC parts for example (dunno is it here only or worldwide), so there are some tweaks that you cannot reach. Maybe with a software, but anyways what is supposed to be yours, should be yours as whole, not just part of it...IMO ofc

 

Another thing is the AMD cpu. Why AMD, why not intel if you need some performance from your pc, because intel is the best for that. AMD could end up as the bottleneck, no matter how good memory and gpu you have.

 

Then maybe what I'd do with harddrives, would be one maybe 128GB SSD for OS only and a normal hdd for other stuff not so important, like photos, videos etc.

 

Psu is good to have somewhat overpowered, so there is option to upgrade parts without the fear of power loss.

 

If you look at the specs of motherboard, you check out how many free slots there are for pci/pci - e 2.0 or 3.0 and reserve one for the gpu (pci - e 2.0 minimum for that) and then look at the connection type of the soundcard you desire if there is room for it.

 

Assembling should be easy, as the instructions itself that should come with the parts are clear and good, but I'm sure there is also tutorials on youtube.

 

Also from the company you order the parts, check out if they have the assembling service, shouldn't be so expensive.

[Kepar]

I need a new pc. Only interests: as cost effective as possible within 500 euro range (=560$), no monitor, keyboard or mouse included. And it should be reliable, that's my first concern. I need some advice on whether to build one or to buy one, refurbished or not. If you advice me to build, I'd also love to get some advice on what to look for.

 

The build I quickly composed:

 

 

 

• corsair CX 500W PSU
• Liteon IHAS124-14 DVD drive
• Zalman Z3 Plus case
• Kingston v300 SSD (240GB if amzon, 120 if Vibox)
• AMD Radeon R7 360 2GB Graphics Card
• ASUS M5A97 Motherboard
• 3.8GHz AMD FX-4300 4-Core CPU
• [AMD] 8GB CL9 1600MHz DDR3
• iLite Mini 150Mbps USB Wireless LAN Network Adapter
• Windows 7 pro

 Price would be €515 on Amazon

 

Questions:

-do you think I'd need extra cooling?

-would I easily be able to add a sound card afterwards if I need it?

-I would really like to save up on the graphics card. Heaviest application I would use is Magic VJ software (it doesn't demand this graphics card). Any suggestion on what would be ok as well?

-do you think a nub with a brain but 0 experience would be able to build this without messing up? Or would you advice letting it build by vibox.co.uk? In that case I would have a 120 gb SSD instead of 240 and it would cost me €643. Then I think it would be better to just buy something standard, no?

 

 

 

If I would buy: 

Zoltac disadvantage=no operating system https://www.bol.com/nl/p/zotac-zbox-oi520-be-pc-s-werkstation/9200000030241583/ 

Vibox (ugly imo+ quite low end processor) https://www.amazon.fr/Vibox-centrale-Gaming-Athlon-Radeon/dp/B00CUFSAYG/ref=sr_1_31?m=A1X6FK5RDHNB96&s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1463237801&sr=1-31&keywords=ordinateur

Lenovo (think I would go with this if I would not build) http://www.mediamarkt.be/nl/product/_lenovo-ideacentre-300s-11ish-intel-core-i3-6100-90d9002cmb--1546439.html

Critics and hints are most welcome  I'm a total noob when it comes to computer related things, so don't laugh at my ideas

What would you use it for, just gaming or something else too?

[redy.]

Hi plato,

 

like Rendel stated, it is not to terrible tricky to build a PC. You are the one making the call if you think you can do it or not. If you need help and have questions, we have a bunch of people that can help you over forum or maybe skype/whatsapp etc. The onbord sound chips are super since years. I dont know anyone that still has a soundblaster etc. Take the onboard sound and spend money on cpu or graphic

 

your pc is not bad, i just checked the components out there to get an overview about the latest benchmark tests results.

 

Here one that i just pulled together:

 

Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 - 50$ - http://www.amazon.com/Fractal-Design-Core-Cases-FD-CA-CORE-1000-USB3-BL/dp/B00CUSUV0O/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1463254808&sr=8-2&keywords=fractal+design+case&refinements=p_89%3AFractal+Design

CPU: AMD FX-8300 8-Core - 115$ - http://www.amazon.com/AMD-FX-8300-AM3-Plus-Desktop-Processor/dp/B00TR8YL4W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1463254187&sr=8-1&keywords=AMD%27s+FX-8300

Mainbord: Asus M5A78L-M - 64$ - http://www.amazon.com/Asus-Desktop-Motherboard-Chipset-M5A78L-M/dp/B0054U7HIO/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1463254477&sr=8-2-fkmr1&keywords=mainboard+for+AMD+FX-8300

Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB Kit - 34$ - http://www.amazon.com/Crucial-Ballistix-PC3-12800-BLS2KIT4G3D1609DS1S00-BLS2CP4G3D1609DS1S00/dp/B006WAGGUK/ref=pd_sim_147_4?ie=UTF8&dpID=410h5n2tSyL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_&refRID=0N8K61KZD6H6XMA6G49H

Graphic: Gigabyte AMD R7 360 128 Bit GDDR5 2GB - 100$ - http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-Overclocked-Graphics-GV-R736OC-2GD-REV2-0/dp/B01DT48WSU/ref=sr_1_14?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1463255236&sr=1-14&keywords=Radeon+R7+oc

Powersupply: EVGA 500 W1 80+, 500W Continuous Power - 40$ - http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-Continuous-Warranty-Supply-100-W1-0500-KR/dp/B00H33SFJU/ref=pd_bxgy_147_img_3?ie=UTF8&refRID=0N8K61KZD6H6XMA6G49H

HDD: Samsung 850 EVO 250GB 2.5-Inch SATA III - 85$ - http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-2-5-Inch-Internal-MZ-75E250B-AM/dp/B00OAJ412U/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1463255472&sr=1-2&keywords=solid+state+drive&refinements=p_n_feature_keywords_four_browse-bin%3A6158693011%2Cp_n_feature_keywords_five_browse-bin%3A7688215011

 

Price: ~488$ (leaves some room for OS/DVD or what you need)

 

This one is build around a kick ass CPU, the 'AMD FX-8300'. This will help your tools and games to process. The Samsung 850 SSD is very well tested and kicks butt speed wise. I have good experience with the Samsung SSDs. Graphics is one of the priciest components. The R7 360 is not the fastest card, but one of the best you can get in the budget. (possible upgrade in the future) I love fractal design cases. They are high quality but they are a bit pricey. Possible component to save some $.

 

possible upgrades:

SSD from 250GB up to 500GB

Graphics card to R7 370 4GB GDDR5

additional CPU fan (The AMD FX-8300 8-Core comes boxed with a fan. The fan is ok but can be noisy)

add OS (if you dont have a license)

add DVD, wifi other components you need

[Platonic]

I have not looked what is and what is not good these days when it comes to hardware, but if you want to be able to actually do something with your pc, then build it yourself.

 

On some ready packets, the bios is locked from the OC parts for example (dunno is it here only or worldwide), so there are some tweaks that you cannot reach. Maybe with a software, but anyways what is supposed to be yours, should be yours as whole, not just part of it...IMO ofc 

 

Another thing is the AMD cpu. Why AMD, why not intel if you need some performance from your pc, because intel is the best for that. AMD could end up as the bottleneck, no matter how good memory and gpu you have.

 

Then maybe what I'd do with harddrives, would be one maybe 128GB SSD for OS only and a normal hdd for other stuff not so important, like photos, videos etc.

 

Psu is good to have somewhat overpowered, so there is option to upgrade parts without the fear of power loss.

 

If you look at the specs of motherboard, you check out how many free slots there are for pci/pci - e 2.0 or 3.0 and reserve one for the gpu (pci - e 2.0 minimum for that) and then look at the connection type of the soundcard you desire if there is room for it.

 

Assembling should be easy, as the instructions itself that should come with the parts are clear and good, but I'm sure there is also tutorials on youtube.

 

Also from the company you order the parts, check out if they have the assembling service, shouldn't be so expensive.

AMD because it's a lot cheaper. Would intel core i3 be better? Or would better be i5? Because i5 is really expensive...

I took the 240GB harddrive because the difference was only 5 euros because of a promo

Thanks for the comments and the advice on the sound card!

 

What would you use it for, just gaming or something else too?

Gaming=enemy territory and TF sometimes, not planning on going heavier. Other stuff=virtual dj, ableton, fl studio, audacity and magic vj software. I should be able to use 2 of these programs together but never 3.

 

Hi plato,

 

like Rendel stated, it is not to terrible tricky to build a PC. You are the one making the call if you think you can do it or not. If you need help and have questions, we have a bunch of people that can help you over forum or maybe skype/whatsapp etc. The onbord sound chips are super since years. I dont know anyone that still has a soundblaster etc. Take the onboard sound and spend money on cpu or graphic 

 

your pc is not bad, i just checked the components out there to get an overview about the latest benchmark tests results.

 

Here one that i just pulled together:

 

Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 - 50$ - http://www.amazon.com/Fractal-Design-Core-Cases-FD-CA-CORE-1000-USB3-BL/dp/B00CUSUV0O/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1463254808&sr=8-2&keywords=fractal+design+case&refinements=p_89%3AFractal+Design

CPU: AMD FX-8300 8-Core - 115$ - http://www.amazon.com/AMD-FX-8300-AM3-Plus-Desktop-Processor/dp/B00TR8YL4W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1463254187&sr=8-1&keywords=AMD%27s+FX-8300

Mainbord: Asus M5A78L-M - 64$ - http://www.amazon.com/Asus-Desktop-Motherboard-Chipset-M5A78L-M/dp/B0054U7HIO/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1463254477&sr=8-2-fkmr1&keywords=mainboard+for+AMD+FX-8300

Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB Kit - 34$ - http://www.amazon.com/Crucial-Ballistix-PC3-12800-BLS2KIT4G3D1609DS1S00-BLS2CP4G3D1609DS1S00/dp/B006WAGGUK/ref=pd_sim_147_4?ie=UTF8&dpID=410h5n2tSyL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_&refRID=0N8K61KZD6H6XMA6G49H

Graphic: Gigabyte AMD R7 360 128 Bit GDDR5 2GB - 100$ - http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-Overclocked-Graphics-GV-R736OC-2GD-REV2-0/dp/B01DT48WSU/ref=sr_1_14?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1463255236&sr=1-14&keywords=Radeon+R7+oc

Powersupply: EVGA 500 W1 80+, 500W Continuous Power - 40$ - http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-Continuous-Warranty-Supply-100-W1-0500-KR/dp/B00H33SFJU/ref=pd_bxgy_147_img_3?ie=UTF8&refRID=0N8K61KZD6H6XMA6G49H

HDD: Samsung 850 EVO 250GB 2.5-Inch SATA III - 85$ - http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-2-5-Inch-Internal-MZ-75E250B-AM/dp/B00OAJ412U/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1463255472&sr=1-2&keywords=solid+state+drive&refinements=p_n_feature_keywords_four_browse-bin%3A6158693011%2Cp_n_feature_keywords_five_browse-bin%3A7688215011

 

Price: ~488$ (leaves some room for OS/DVD or what you need)

 

This one is build around a kick ass CPU, the 'AMD FX-8300'. This will help your tools and games to process. The Samsung 850 SSD is very well tested and kicks butt speed wise. I have good experience with the Samsung SSDs. Graphics is one of the priciest components. The R7 360 is not the fastest card, but one of the best you can get in the budget. (possible upgrade in the future) I love fractal design cases. They are high quality but they are a bit pricey. Possible component to save some $.

 

possible upgrades:

SSD from 250GB up to 500GB

Graphics card to R7 370 4GB GDDR5

additional CPU fan (The AMD FX-8300 8-Core comes boxed with a fan. The fan is ok but can be noisy)

add OS (if you dont have a license)

add DVD, wifi other components you need

This looks great, thanks a lot for that!

50+130+46+36+157+52+89=€560 for me (amazon.fr). Mainly because of that graphics card (€157 vs. 100$ is almost double, I'd be cheaper off paying 30$ shipping ). I'd say it's a pity to spend so much money on a graphics card. I now have one of 512mb and I never had any problems (ofc I don't use magic now, but still...)

[Aft3rmath]

I built my first computer at age 15 with zero experience and the provided manuals.  You should be confident enough in your ability to assemble the components.  The tricky part is making sure everything is compatible. 

[RendeL]

I recommended the Intel, because you said you want it to be reliable. It is more expensive yes, but with i5 or even better i7, you have the possibility of a upgrade on other parts for years to come - it is if you also get a motherboard with good specs to fit on those. Then again:

 

- If you only play ET kind of games, you dont need any fancy gpu, cpu or so Good isp and nerves is all you need

 

Btw about the soundcard, there is also external ones that goes on the usb port. I could dare to say that those have also the quality you need. Also some keyboards have soundcard built in, I have Logitech G110 that has it, used it at some point and I thought it was fine with headset.

[Vanaraud]

Here´s a list of AMD mobos: http://www.overclock.net/t/946407/amd-motherboards-vrm-info-database

Wouldn´t personally go for low count of VRM phases and without heatsink on VRM, if one would like it to be reliable and not burn down in the next day;)

So a better and more expensive mobo would be necessary which leaves less money for CPU. In the other hand Intel platforms can be balanced the other way around, more power for CPU less money on mobo. Just checked prices of AMD CPU-s and finally they compete with Intel i3-s, though a better mobo would be still recommended. Also AMD FX would benefit from more threads in editing software, though I couldn´t find any bench for Magic VJ with a quick search.

 

For editing purpose, 8GB of RAM should be enough, always the 2nd stick can be added, provided mobo has enough slots.

 

Here´s a list of PSU-s, categorised in Tiers: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html

Personally wouldn´t go with Tier Four PSU-s like Corsair CX.

 

There will be out new Polaris\Pascal GPU-s from AMD\nVidia- will require even less power, being more powerful. In next 2 weeks should be more clear. Could be groundbraking and bring down prices...

 

If you´d want to go without good GPU- above AMD r7 250\350, try to look for Intel i5\i7 Broadwell CPU-s, they have best int GPU today.

 

About USB soundcards- I have one wireless set of headphones, its a real pain in the ass to get the USB soundcard working. Also USB adds latency, so if its used for realtime recording, would dig into it deeper...

[Platonic]

So here's what I pulled together after your advice:

Motherboard: asus Z170 P  https://www.amazon.fr/Asus-Z170-P-Carte-Intel-Socket/dp/B0126R4Z0K/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1463302077&sr=8-6&keywords=Asus+Z170

Power: EVGA 430W http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-Continuous-Warranty-Supply-100-W1-0430-KR/dp/B00H33SDR4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1463304972&sr=8-1&keywords=EVGA++430W

Processor: I've been doing a little research on that one. Had never heard of integrated GPU and that may indeed be the best solution for me. However that core i5 broadwell is way over my budget (290 euro), would be more expensive than a processor+good GPU so...

- either AMD (the best of AMD according to hardware-revolution.com) https://www.amazon.fr/AMD-7870K-Processeur-Coeurs-Socket/dp/B00Y1AJLS2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1463297819&sr=8-1&keywords=AMD+A10+7870K

- or intel core i5 http://www.amazon.com/Intel-I5-6500-FC-LGA14C-Processor-BX80662I56500/dp/B010T6CWI2?tag=hardwarevol03-20
Don't tell me to get the Intel core i5 lol. I know it's better, it's also more expensive

Memory: redy's suggestion http://www.amazon.com/Crucial-Ballistix-PC3-12800-BLS2KIT4G3D1609DS1S00-BLS2CP4G3D1609DS1S00/dp/B006WAGGUK/ref=pd_sim_147_4?ie=UTF8&dpID=410h5n2tSyL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_&refRID=0N8K61KZD6H6XMA6G49H

HDD: Kingston v300 ssd 240GB

DVD

Network adaptor

Case will be selected later, 50 euros billed.

When I'm making the calculation I come to the pleasant surprise that I can afford the core i5 in this setup. 480 without OS. Now I should doublecheck on compaitibility later because really... My brain is going to explode because of all the new info if I won't do something else now..

 

Thanks all, you're really guiding me well with this.

 

Note: I have no idea what this vrm phases things is and am having a little trouble looking for it myself... 

Edited May 15, 2016 by Platonic
mobo

[Dmitriy]

I will recommend on Intel Cpu.

Asus  H170 motherboard https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014F7BQUG/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Intel Core I3 6100 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B015VPX2EO/ref=ox_sc_act_title_4?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Asus GTX 750 TI https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IB9P1KG/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Ssd Kingston v300 240gb https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00A1ZTZNM/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Total 405$ without ram and psu ,case,dvd, but  motherboard  and vga can be changed to a cheaper (gibagabyte,asrock,etc)

Psu about 50$

 

Intel Cpu TDP is 55w, amd about 95w

And gaming old games  Opengl with nvidia much better (ET)

[Platonic]

I will recommend on Intel Cpu.

Asus  H170 motherboard https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014F7BQUG/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Intel Core I3 6100 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B015VPX2EO/ref=ox_sc_act_title_4?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Asus GTX 750 TI https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IB9P1KG/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Ssd Kingston v300 240gb https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00A1ZTZNM/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Total 405$ without ram and psu ,case,dvd, but  motherboard  and vga can be changed to a cheaper (gibagabyte,asrock,etc)

Psu about 50$

 

Intel Cpu TDP is 55w, amd about 95w

And gaming old games  Opengl with nvidia much better (ET)

That motherboard is a great suggestion. I'm not in on the pro's and con's of a separate graphics card, so no idea what to do there

[Pepperonipizza]

Processor: I've been doing a little research on that one. Had never heard of integrated GPU and that may indeed be the best solution for me.

 

I highly recommend against this. If you plan on playing ET with decent FPS, get at least a low-to-mid end NVIDIA GPU. ET is a game that's old and it ran great on older hardware. No need to get a fancy GPU.

 

Also, don't spend half your budget on your processor. Your motherboard is the 'infrastructure' of your build. It's wise to invest in that. And your power supply is something you also should make sure is of decent quality - it powers your hardware and if you plan to have this machine for a long time, then you don't want power supply deterioration messing with the hardware you bought. This deterioration is generally the first thing that goes wrong with older pc's (source - my brother).

[Platonic]

 This deterioration is generally the first thing that goes wrong with older pc's (source - my brother).

Lol. I can add myself to this, although it was a standard model pc

So you'd rather recommend me to go with what ubergamer suggested, lower the graphics card a bit and get a better power supply? 

Idea: Power supply Silverstone strider essential https://www.amazon.fr/Silverstone-30261-SilverStone-30260-Onduleur/dp/B00PUG0NSS/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1463306466&sr=8-3&keywords=silverstone+strider+essential

Graphics card: cheap ass nvidia geforce https://www.amazon.fr/product-reviews/B00NM931WA/ref=cm_cr_dp_synop?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&sortBy=recent#R3YU192Q3RWUW

Intel i3 processor, ubergamers mobo suggestion, the rest would remain the same. Or would that graphics card be too much of a bottleneck?

[Dmitriy]

Asus GTX 750 TI http://www.amazon.com/GeForce-750Ti-GDDR5-Graphics-GTX750TI-OC-2GD5/dp/B00IB9P1KG/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1463312315&sr=1-2&keywords=gtx+750+ti

Core I3 6100 http://www.amazon.com/Intel-BX80662I36100-i3-6100-Cache-Processor/dp/B015VPX2EO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1463312101&sr=8-1&keywords=core+i3+6100

Asus H170 Pro Gaming http://www.amazon.com/DisplayPort-H170-Motherboards-PRO-GAMING/dp/B014F7BQUG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1463312140&sr=8-1&keywords=asus+h170+pro+gaming

Kingston Fury DDR4 2X4GB 2133mhz http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00TY6A1P0/ref=pd_luc_rh_mrairec_01_02_t_img_lh?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

SSD Kingston V300 240GB http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Digital-SSDNow-SV300S37A-240G/dp/B00A1ZTZNM?ie=UTF8&keywords=kingston%20v300&qid=1463312384&ref_=sr_1_2&sr=8-2

Evga Power supply 500w http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-Continuous-Warranty-Supply-100-W1-0500-KR/dp/B00H33SFJU/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1463312215&sr=1-1&keywords=POWER+SUPPLY&refinements=p_n_feature_keywords_two_browse-bin%3A6906984011

or Cooler Master Elite 550w   http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Elite-Long-Lasting-Electrical/dp/B00I5VSWAQ/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1463312215&sr=1-2&keywords=POWER+SUPPLY&refinements=p_n_feature_keywords_two_browse-bin%3A6906984011

 

(for this configuration optimal power supply is 500w)

~427eur total

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i3-6100-vs-AMD-A10-7850K-APU/3511vs2937 I3 6100 and amd 7850k benchmark

About mb http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/H170-PRO-GAMING/

[Jobba]

It's much better to build the PC yourself, but you have to pick the best parts. If you buy a standalone PC, it may be more reliable and you'll have support you can contact if something goes wrong. 

However, These guys have all mentioned some damn great builds for you.

Here's my build for you. I think this build is both uses less power, delivers performance and is efficient. You'll save power and juice out performance that most people use today for gaming.

I included an OS and ODD into this build.

This build costs $570 or 505 euro.

 

OS: Windows 10 64bit $88: http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Windows-Home-System-Builder/dp/B00ZSI7Y3U?ie=UTF8&keywords=Windows%2010%2064&qid=1463319616&ref_=sr_1_1&sr=8-1

 

CPU: i3-6100 $116 - Snappy, more efficient and reliable than any AMD: http://www.amazon.com/Intel-BX80662I36100-i3-6100-Cache-Processor/dp/B015VPX2EO/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1463319255&sr=1-1&keywords=i3-6100

 

GPU: EVGA GTX 750 Ti $110 : Uses 60w compared to 100w on the r7 360 and is ~ to GTX 960: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Dcomputers&field-keywords=GTX+750+ti

 

MOBO: Gigabyte DDR4 LGA 1151 $70:http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-LGA1151-Intel-Motherboard-GA-H110M-/dp/B0165YUDTM/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1463318442&sr=1-2&keywords=lga+1151+motherboard

 

RAM: Crucial 1-slot 8gbs DDR4 $35: http://www.amazon.com/Crucial-Ballistix-Single-PC4-19200-288-Pin/dp/B00UFBZOVE/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1463319119&sr=1-2&keywords=8gb+ddr4

 

HDD: Seagate 7200RPM 1TB $50: http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Desktop-3-5-Inch-Internal-ST1000DM003/dp/B005T3GRNW?tag=gcgctest-20

(I know this seems a little weird, however this build cost $570. If you wish, you could take out the Seagate, save $50, and put in an PNY/Sandisk 240gb SSD into it.): $62 http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Plus-240GB-2-5-Inch-SDSSDA-240G-G25/dp/B00S9Q9VS4/ref=sr_1_5?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1463318991&sr=1-5&keywords=SSD

 

PSU: EVGA 500w $40: http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-Continuous-Warranty-Supply-100-W1-0500-KR/dp/B00H33SFJU/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1463319343&sr=1-1&keywords=500w+psu

 

CASE #30: Rosewill Micro ATX Mini Tower: http://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-Micro-Tower-Computer-SRM-01/dp/B00ZPWOA6I/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1463318879&sr=1-1&keywords=MATX+case

 

ODD $20: Samsung 1.5gbs: http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Optical-Drive-SH-224DB-BEBE/dp/B00CE58ZYC/ref=sr_1_3?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1463319437&sr=1-3&keywords=ODD

 

Also if your new at building PC's, the internet and youtube is your friend, and so are these forums.