is the region as violent as it is described in the media?
Can you enlighten me in that regard?
The media portrays most of the Middle East as dangerous
Israel is pro-peace other wise we wouldnt even talk with the arabs and just shot them down bomb them with airplans and such.Unlike the countries around us who most lightly want us our of here and gone from this world, Israel approche is nothing like that, its more "live and let live".
the only reason our army attack is in order to prevent an attack from the other side or as a "payback"- you shot a missle on us, we'll bomb the place around it.
regarding to the media issue, they do portrays the middle east ad dangerous and its semi true- but i can assure you that if you'll visit israel no you should be mucher safer then if you visit eygpt or jorden(currently israel is the only democracy in the in here). hope i answered your questions.
My family is here since 1950, my grandmother&grandfather from both sides did "Aliya" to israel in 1950.
For how many generations has your family been in Israel?
Also, what's general opinion on Europe or the USA in Israel? Do people like that USA is such a fierce ally and/or do they feel less enthusiastic about Europe?
What are your feelings about the long-term conflict with the Palestinians? Do you think they should be recognised as a state and be granted sovereign rights? Is there a lot of opposition to the way the settlement expansions are driving out Palestinians and/or the conflict regarding the Gaza strip coming from Israeli citizens themselves?
concerning europe\usa i'll just tell you what i think- usa is basiclly fine.. sometimes president Obama is a bit annoying but nothing else. Europe is a bit more tricky, as you may or might not know most (if not all) of europe buying oil from the arabin nations- therefore seems like europe "adrode" them and choose to stick with them..i just wonder how will the world act when the arabs runs out of oil.
I do think that gaza strip should be recogonized as a self-undippendent country but since they still take electricty form Israel, and money from israel i don't think they can do it alone. In addition- i belive that gaza strip is been controled by a terrorrist organization and not a true governamant...israel is getting hit by missles from gaza strip almost by a daily bases.. and if gaza strip will become a country it means israel can declare a war against them and actually fight a country... i hate hate the conflit but i don't think it can be slove so easily..not as long as gaza has terrorist and radical islamic persons who whishes to kill every living israelin.
I do believe that most of the arabs in gaza strip are good and would rather have peaceful life than this current shit.. and so do i. most of the budget in israel goes to deffence insted of investing healty system, education and technoligical advance... both israel and Palestinians should work together in order to creat a better place..not for us but for the future generations... i've seen cartoon shows that are been watched in gaza strip and in the arab world, they show the israeli soldier as if he's a nazi soldier who just wanna kill, they describe "death as a shaid" as a good thing... its awful.. filling their future generations with such hate.
you're right...more blood wont solve anything, but since israel can't lay down her weapons and say "come lets talk peace" since we already did that and got nothing.. it has to come from the raddical isalmic movments.
I doubt that this will ever happen. Too much bad blood, too much intractability on both sides.
i opened this topic in order to share my information and maybe help others to understand a bit better about what is going on in the middle east. i have no intrests in fighting anyone as well... everyone is intiteled to his\her opinion, i just want dont want this opinion to be built on lies\false stories they might have heared.
I feel this topic ending in nothing but arguments and bad feelings.
This volatile topic and one's similar never have a happy ending.
While I feel that this is an important topic and subject to be knowledgable about, gaming forums are the wrong place for discussion. There are many forums out there on the web on this topic.
oh im glad you've mentioned the ship with food, the first wave of the ships has weapons on them, weapons which was making his way to gaza strip, weapons which evenually israel will suffer from... it had to be stoped. concerning the ships with real food and medical supplay- i dont think israel told them "gtfo and dont give them nothing" all israel said was "bring it over our borderds, we'll check it and pass it forward".. i think its pretty obvious why Israel may say something like that. most of the comments from the ships if im not mistaken was something like " we dont need youre premition to pass food to gaza strip" .. its silly and stupid( sorry if im offending some one). the sea around gaza strip is an israelin militery area which no ship should be allowed to pass with no premition, Israel canot and will not allowed any weapon to get into gaza strip... if they want peac so badly why on earth do they need gunz? lets go back few years, when usa was still in iraq.. lets assume i wanted to send iraw some food and medical supplay- would the american army let me pass with out checking what i borught? i dont think so.
We hear about violent actions against peacefull actions (ship with food attacked,...). They really get much attention here, and theres much tension about 'who's right'.
Do note: I do not think of Israel as a violent nation, but I think many people here do. I blame the situation rather than the people (both Israelian and Palestinian). My opinion is that the Palestine people should get sovereign rights, because only in this way these two totally different nations can really start up healthy political relationships. I'm pretty sure it will end that way now or within many years. What do you think?
What I would love to know: what is the common peoples opinion about the way problems are solved there? Do they want a peacefull relationship with Palestina (and the rest of the Middle East) or is hate just too deeply anchored? What is your opinion about this?
I'm really interested in politics and even more in world politics, so I appologize if I'm taking us too far
I can see many people are interested in it, and I am very glad to see this. Open discussion is the key to solutions.
I do think they gaza strip should become a country but first thing first: they should have a REAL democratic governamanet, they MUST clear their streets from terrorists orgnization members such as "hamas" or "hizballa"... let them live their life in peace but i dont want to be the one who's paying the bill with the blood of an israelin soldiers.
concerning the comman people opinon its divided... some will tell you "crush them burn them and make send from their skulls" others will tell you "give them what they want"... Im in the middle... help them to build a good stable DEMOCRACTIC terorrize clean society and crush who ever attack israel..israel army serv is mandatory and i have lots of friends who servrs in the army in the borders (near gaza strip).. i think they would prefer to sit at home drink a beer and watch the euro insted of gurding our borders from invadors.. (and let me remind you this guys ages are between 18-21) at that age in europe\usa you're having fun at college, party and stuff- we have to deffende our borders.. its shitty and i hate it... i want to be able to get to europe by car, i want to go to jorden and eat humos.. i wanna visit the great pyramids but i can't since i'll probably get shot the moment i cross this borders.
im well wealthy, working in a good job (im currently 20 and i finished my b.a. last week so now im taking my last exames and im done with i), investing not yet, aint got enough money and my parants economic state is stable... not rich but living well with no shortage.
Something about yourself: I see you have good living environment. Are you wealthy or working in job with good salary(-->got loans+need to pay it)? Investing etc? Rich parents? Just curious.
Secondly: how about all of this terrorism thing? What I mean is that is there any coverage about these things and how do you feel about it? Is there really any "terrorist" or just blabla talking by rest of world? Tell your thoughts.
the terrorisim thing- its not like im scared to walk in the street- i live in the center of israel-close to tell aviv, in the middle even if its a war we dont feel it as much as the north\south feel it...most of the terror attacks are been prevented by out forces and there are many atempts.
I just wanna remind you all about a soldier called "Gilad Shalit" , the dude was 19 and got captured. he was in hamas held for nearly 5 years and only latly got out of there thanks to a prisoner exchange deal.
He sufferd there, unlike the terrorist israel has in her jails- we feed them well, take care of their healty and medical needs.. het got nothing over there and somehow survived 5 years.
my points is that they dont treat us as human beens and care not who get hurts during their attacks, while we try to minimize civilian damage for as much as possible and trying to hit tragets only.
israel army's name is IDF- Israel Deffence Force - name actually means what this army's main goal.
Any more questions? i'll be glad to answer
also i forgot CSL is living in israel, and by reading his comment you can understand the life for the daily user in israel